RE: Is Secular Liberation Possible??
August 4, 2013 at 8:59 pm
(This post was last modified: August 4, 2013 at 9:08 pm by ManMachine.)
(August 1, 2013 at 2:24 pm)Katie23 Wrote: Is it possible for a perfectly sane (almost) and rational 22 year old woman to lead a secularist life and to be happy, fulfilled and liberated? The answer is... well, truthfully I am still truly searching for the answer.
To answer my initial question, can a young woman be fulfilled, happy and liberated in a secularist lifestyle? Well I am certainly on the way to be fulfilled in all three!
I found your post interesting. I have a few points, if I may.
It's easy to make broad statements about religion and god but we need to be mindful that they are historically developed concepts. Even if we limit ourselves to the framework of Christianity, it is not the same religion today as it was in the past, and the same can be said of the rest.
This in and of itself is enough to make me question the integrity of religions, but more than that it makes me want to ask why is religion (in general) so persistent? What is it about the notion of gods and the rules they set down that makes them adapt to survive centuries? Perhaps more importantly, what is it about humanity that makes the majority of humans cling onto some form of god and system of belief?
There is some work in evolutionary psychology that suggests the concept of god is an artefact of an evolved mechanism called causal reasoning. Even today, as children grow and their minds develop causal reasoning, they can spontaneously invent a 'god like' being to explain phenomena beyond their comprehension.
I would also suggest that any mechanism as successful as the concepts of religions/gods would need to remain useful in some way to a majority of people to be so persistent, not just in historical terms but in individual life-spans. Research again has provided some theory that suggest the concept of god and religion is an adaptable psychological tool for people to apply across many dilemmas. Thereby offering a mental 'parking space' for seemingly contradictory concepts that we learn to manage as we grow. This makes it less of a surprise when we see people using this mechanism to prevent having to deal with dissonant thoughts. The notion of god and associated religions is (among other things) an easement that allows for an individual to park dissonant concepts and get on with their psychological development. Of course, later on in life it becomes an easy way not to have to think about things, in this respect it is a very real tool for people to apply to 'difficult-to-deal-with' thoughts and the emotions they give rise to.
I believe it is incumbent upon us to try to understand these mechanisms and develop an understanding of why others may need them. I'm not suggesting evolutionary psychologists have it exactly right but it is very reasonable to me and makes sense of why people are religious where some atheists (judging by some responses in these forums) fail to find any sense or reason at all.
Yes, the world is full of people doing awful things to one another, but that is not the fault of religion, that's just humanity, which is why I could never be a humanist.
We are animals first and foremost, everything else is just an attempt to get us away from the stench of our own shit. I would suggest you don't waste energy rallying against religion but look into what we are as a species.
As for the 'Golden Age of Science' (a well worn idea from effete Victorian commentators), that has long passed, the days when science can tell us about our universe are numbered. There is a growing academic opinion that there is a limit to our anthropocentric understanding and that Quantum Mechanics/Theory is beginning to exceed it.
If you want to be part of an empowered ideology then go and find better questions to ask, because I find the ones you answered here are old and tired and will not liberate anyone. Be extraordinary, don't fall for the same species ego serving crap as those who have gone before you.
MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)