'Atheist' nations more peaceful, Global Peace Index study finds.

[Eilonnwy]

Eilo, you're right that yourself personally do not fall into that hole. I did not mean that all you guys, or all atheists bump against that fallacy. I disagree that no one has ever said that here, do you remember the thread called 'the bible made me an atheist'? It's not a straw man if I am not breaking context. I am talking about a flaw in some peoples versions of atheism, not yours or anyone here's specifically. So the point I am arguing is said flaw, and the argument cannot be a straw man to itself. I am not trying to prove some extraneous point, so I really don't think I am in fallacy. It certainly isn't some petty attack.

I am jumping into the conversation late, nevertheless, arguing about what some atheists might say, especially if they're not here is fallacious. If you are arguing people here and they haven't made the logical fallacy you alluded to, then to argue against us as we did make this argument is a fallacy itself. The strawman fallacy specifically speaks to one where you characterize someone's argument falsely and in a way that is easy to argue against.

One thing that piqued my interest though. You believe that Christians are trying to "decimate the constitution"? That might be part of the issue. I would ask you to really consider that the people doing the damage to America's identity are either not at all Christian or at best are terrible stewards of said faith. I'm all on board for people trying their best to change America, they've been at it for generations. I just really think it is a political and human problem, and if it is spiritual, it certainly is not Christian.

See, you did it again. You made a strawman argument because you took what I said, which was that a group of fundamentalist Christians are trying to decimate the constitution into Christians are trying to do it. Those statements are very different. One speaks to a subset, the other to everyone within a given group. I don't think all Christians are trying to decimate the constitution, my mother, a Catholic, would agree with me point for point on the seperation of church and state, of 10 commandments on Government property, prayer in the classroom, etc... Not all Christians are trying abuse freedom of religion. But some are, and a lot of those people have a following, get on the news, get elected into government office, spread these ideas publicly that it's Christians Nation and people should put up or shut up. I argue against those people.

Furthermore, you're making a true Scotsman fallacy by insisting the people I'm talking about are not true Christians. They call themselves Christians so they are Christians. They do what they do in the name of Jesus and the Bible, they are Christians. Their agenda is publicly put out there as being about Christianity. They may not follow the version of Christianity that tackattack does, or Fr0d0, but they're still Christians.