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Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy!
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RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy!
(September 18, 2013 at 3:40 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(September 18, 2013 at 3:14 pm)Drich Wrote: Keep reading sport:
The N. T. says that he reigned (Matthew 2:22), and in Josephus in Josephus (Ant., XVII, viii, 2, ix, 2) he is called king.

Oh, thanks for reminding me, sweety (I can condescend too). When Joseph returned from exile in Egypt after Herod the king died, that's when he decided not to go to his home town in Bethlehem because his son reigned there (one can do that without being a king).

That, of course, was the Matthew version which had Jesus born in Joseph's HOUSE in Bethlehem, he fled to Egypt and resettled into Nazareth.

Here are the relevant passages:
The Gospel of Matthew Wrote:2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
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2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
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2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
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2:19-20 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
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2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:

So we've established that the Gospels refer to Herod the Great as "king" and Archelaus by his name.
1/2 truth. Archelaus is only mentioned in Verse two, every other time Matthew mentions Archelaus he simple refers to him as herod, the ruler or King of Galalee
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...2264&t=KJV

Quote:But hey, maybe Luke's style differed enough from Matthew's that he would refer to Archelaus as "Herod, the king of Judea". So I looked up the footnotes of my Oxford Annotated Bible and it doesn't indicated any controversy about the matter, that the passage refers to King Herod the Great and the time-frame would be 4 BCE or before.
Herod the Great is always Identified as "H The Great" or King H 'the Great.' in Mat

In Luke 3 Luke attempts to separate the various herods, but ultimately refers to the ruler of Galalee as King Herod or simply Herod.
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?sea...tnumber=26
Remember Luke is also the writer of acts and as such all of what I said applies to the book of acts as well. (Which starts at the death of Jesus 33AD well past the reign of HTG)
Quote: Can you cite the passage where Josephus refers to Archelaus as "Herod, King of Judea" or any scholarly opinion that Luke was referring to Archelaus?
already did in my orginal quote.
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Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by YahwehIsTheWay - September 14, 2013 at 7:43 pm
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RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by YahwehIsTheWay - September 14, 2013 at 8:44 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by freedomfromforum - September 14, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 15, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by YahwehIsTheWay - September 15, 2013 at 11:45 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Searching4truth - September 18, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 8:18 am
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RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 18, 2013 at 11:13 am
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RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 3:40 pm
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RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 18, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 6:43 pm
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RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 19, 2013 at 5:50 am
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RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 6:48 pm
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