(September 18, 2013 at 4:28 pm)Tonus Wrote:Who would have believed her? If a 40 year old man bought the rights to a 12 or 13 year old girl (which was considered "18"/the magic legal age back then,) and she show up prego, before she was to be married, you don't think their would be a question or two?? even if it were a life and death matter? Do you think if she went to court with the story of being a virgin something that easy to check for would not have been checked? To make such a claim (a claim that full fills prophesy) were it not true was a death sentence in of itself, let alone the societal/sexual morality issue.(September 18, 2013 at 3:14 pm)Drich Wrote: ah, no. I thought it funny that you defaulted to matthew when Luke was being discussed, but I see now you only intended to use matthew because if you stopped mid verse you had a chance to formulate a biblically "Based" argument. All one has to do to refute your argument is to Keep reading matthew's account.DP was using Luke to discuss the dates surrounding Mary's pregnancy. I am using Matthew since it is the only one that provides sufficient detail to examine the circumstances surrounding Joseph's actions. I did not stop "mid-verse" and including verses 20-25 does nothing to "refute" my argument. Nor am I trying to formulate a biblical argument. I made it pretty clear what I was discussing.
All that your 'explanation' does is take a confusing text and make it even more so. Again: why would anyone check the virginity of a woman who was found to be pregnant? How did they know that she was pregnant "through holy spirit"? Why would Joseph be concerned about bringing shame... or even death... to a woman carrying god himself in her womb?
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Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by YahwehIsTheWay - September 14, 2013 at 7:43 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by LastPoet - September 14, 2013 at 7:49 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by YahwehIsTheWay - September 14, 2013 at 8:44 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by freedomfromforum - September 14, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 15, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by YahwehIsTheWay - September 15, 2013 at 11:45 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Searching4truth - September 18, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 18, 2013 at 9:04 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 18, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 18, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 18, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 18, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 18, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 18, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 19, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 19, 2013 at 9:00 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 19, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 19, 2013 at 9:59 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 19, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 19, 2013 at 9:40 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Cato - September 19, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 21, 2013 at 9:30 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by max-greece - September 20, 2013 at 1:33 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 20, 2013 at 5:17 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 21, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Brian37 - September 20, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - September 20, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Bad Wolf - September 20, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Simon Moon - September 20, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by max-greece - September 19, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Mystical - September 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 15, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Max_Kolbe - September 15, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by NoraBrimstone - September 15, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 15, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Max_Kolbe - September 15, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 15, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Doubting Thomas - September 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Mystical - September 15, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Max_Kolbe - September 15, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Mystical - September 15, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Anomalocaris - September 15, 2013 at 11:28 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 17, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 17, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 18, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 18, 2013 at 8:34 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Mystical - September 17, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 17, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Mystical - September 17, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Anomalocaris - September 18, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 18, 2013 at 4:22 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by max-greece - September 18, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - September 18, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - September 18, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - September 18, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 10:56 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 18, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Zone - September 18, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 18, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 18, 2013 at 11:02 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:06 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 6:19 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Brian37 - September 19, 2013 at 8:45 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Brian37 - September 19, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Zone - September 19, 2013 at 10:00 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - September 19, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 9:08 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 27, 2013 at 11:40 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - September 19, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 19, 2013 at 9:10 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 19, 2013 at 11:41 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Beta Ray Bill - September 20, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 20, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Rev. Rye - September 21, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 21, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Drich - September 23, 2013 at 8:42 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 21, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Airyaman - September 24, 2013 at 8:46 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - September 24, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Mystical - September 24, 2013 at 9:59 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 24, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Mystical - September 26, 2013 at 2:06 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 26, 2013 at 2:28 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Max_Kolbe - September 27, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 27, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - September 27, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - September 28, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Brian37 - September 27, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 27, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Brian37 - September 27, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Brian37 - September 27, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 27, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 27, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2013 at 7:26 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 27, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 28, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 29, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Searching4truth - September 29, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 29, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - September 29, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - September 29, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - October 2, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - October 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Searching4truth - October 2, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - October 3, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - October 2, 2013 at 7:56 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Brian37 - October 4, 2013 at 12:59 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - October 18, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - October 21, 2013 at 7:51 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - October 21, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - October 22, 2013 at 8:56 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - October 22, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - October 29, 2013 at 11:01 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Searching4truth - October 3, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - October 3, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - October 21, 2013 at 2:03 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - October 22, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - October 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - October 29, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Minimalist - October 29, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - November 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by DeistPaladin - November 4, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Ayen - November 6, 2013 at 9:14 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Tonus - November 6, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: Mary's 10 Year Pregnancy! - by Statler Waldorf - November 14, 2013 at 7:29 pm
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