Marijuana and the law

[kılıç_mehmet]

That's obvious. I already knew you're a fascist.

I do not identify myself with that name, I am a Turkish nationalist, however we do have a lot in common with fascists in how I and they view that a general well adjusted society should be. I do not stand for excessive personal freedoms that destroy society and therefore, the nation.

Aside from ensuring that producers and distributors of alcohol don't have to face legal competition from a less dangerous drug, what other "reasons" are there for keeping pot illegal?

You think that marijuana is a competitor to the alcohol industry?
Those who absolutely want to smoke marijuana already do so by buying them from their local dealers. What you're talking about is to represent marijuana as an alternative to alcohol.
Meaning, that you want to turn it into an enterprise that seeks to multiply its customers, and like alcohol, they will have brands, they will use advertising and will have shops in every city and town where you can buy marijuana legally.

Of course, since you regard alcohol as more "dangerous" than marijuana, I guess this is due to the reason that marijuana is less accessible to people, and is therefore not very well known. Not many people want to affiliate themselves with scum like drug dealers, or may not wish to pollute their minds with a drug that is illegal, and therefore, has a higher stigma potential alcohol. But once its legal, and once its as widespread as alcohol, I'm sure that you will swallow your words, if you have any common sense left by then of course.
Of course you can brag all about how the evil alcohol industry is keeping you from getting your fix from a local store, but all your tinfoil theories won't change the fact that marijuana is a mind-altering, potentially addictive drug that appeals to people that require it to be happy and fulfilled. Namely, people that contribute nothing to society.

Damn straight it's about personal freedom. Sorry you have a problem with the idea. I don't.

Therefore, its not just about marijuana. How about coke? Heroin? Meth?
This is why you don't make the law. Lawmaking is reserved for people that can think collectively, and that can actually consider public health and social well being as the standing point for laws.

Mere assertion.

Well, why else would one quote taxation as a "pro" for legalisation?

I doubt it's the "concept of legalization" that you hate. Is it the possibility that someone might *gasp* profit from providing a product that people like and will gladly pay for?

I don't get it. You object to people profiting in the black market and you object to people profiting from legal sales?

As I said, if I marketed a drug that provides quick and painless death solely for those who wish to commit suicide to buy it, and people do pay money, should this product be allowed on the premises?

People profit on the black market, as its illegal, and can be fought by the full might of the state that seeks to protect its people. But if it is the state that provides this filth to its people, its a different story.
Same goes for alcohol and tobacco.
Previously in the older ages, drugs and many other substances ran rampart across many countries. But as time progressed, people and governments realized the evils that these substances produce. Opium was such as substance, and nearly all countries outlawed the legal sale and the use of opium for recreation.
Of course, those who advocated "legal sales" like the British empire of the time, declared war upon China who wanted to protect its people from the evils of opium, China destroyed any opium that tried to enter the country, and the British empire, whereas opium use and sell was forbidden in England, was appalled at the notion that they could not sell their legally produced opium in a country, where it was declared illegal.

So I think you understand my point. Given its current position as a superpower, and given how multinational corporations pull the strings in the US, I'm sure that they will do everything in their power to "bring personal freedom" to other countries.

•You oppose its legalization because it is illegal.

You are running in circles, comrade.

I oppose its legalisation due to the reasons it was declared illegal.
Nothing is declared illegal without a reason.

If they are: your point? What is your argument? For a short point, I say it should be legalized because black markets are being made to obtain said contraband, and government is making a business out of charging people for said contraband. If people want the drug, they will get it, by force if necessary. We establish an industry and market to produce the weed safely if We do legalize it.

Well, thats not a solution, however. There are many people who try to enter the country illegally. So what do you do? Open your borders for everyone to come and settle. There are many people who try to rob banks. So what do you do? Open the vaults and let anyone come and grab a handful of money. There is a lot of smuggling(not just drugs), so what do you do? Remove all trade restrictions! This is not how a country works. That's not how law and order are established. You are speaking of reconciling drug cartels with the world, with only the drug cartels profiting from this, as they won't have to go through great lengths to smuggle their drugs and use secondary agents to provide users with the said drugs.
The industry already exists my good man, you don't need to establish it.

Possibly?! I mean, are those effects not taking place in the real world in other industries? Microsoft and Apple have a choke hold on every computer store. Disney has the choke hold on every animated film production (and now Star Wars). Walmart has the choke hold on every grocery district (usually slowly killing other smaller businesses surrounding it).

Not possibly, certainly.

And You are worried about a monopoly on weed.

Weed. Something any garden center could provide. I could walk in to Lowe's or Home Depot or Walmart, go to their gardening department, buy a packet of seeds... and farm my own weed at my house, independent of any corporate seller of the packaged drug. Now now, Mehmet.

Well, its not monopoly that worries me, but that's what is going to happen. Obviously you can't have a weed garden in every household. But that's what you think is going to happen when they legalize it, I guess?
I really don't care whether they create a monopoly on it, or whether everyone in the world has their own weed garden as to make a monopoly impossible, I'm against the spreading of the said drug in society. The creation of a monopoly by international corporations serves this purpose as they do this for profit, and they will naturally seek to enlarge their customer base. And with how you people regard marijuana as some sort of a "magic" drug that is completely harmless and even beneficial, I can see that in the future, both old and young will sit on their asses all day, gorging themselves on munchies, smoking marijuana.
Well, not going to happen.


Besides, if you're so independent on drug dealers to get your fix, produce it in your own home, and let your habits stay and die with you. Why really allow for drugs to gain a strong foothold in society? As you said, you can procure your drugs by illegal means. So why do you want the whole of society to acknowledge your drug habits and make them legal?