RE: Shutdown - The tea party`s last move?
October 11, 2013 at 10:55 am
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2013 at 10:55 am by kılıç_mehmet.)
Quote:Fascism and other radical right wing ideologies are sometimes self-destructive toward their own country when they seek to achieve their political ends. In fact, their fanatical ideologies are sometimes self-destructive just in their very nature. We've seen this before in countries.And you believe that republicans or the tea-party are "right wing" let alone radicals? I am a radical, I am a fanatic, and I am right wing, and I can tell you that these people who advocate nothing more than capitalism and as some do, the abolition of taxes and the total removal of the state from the public are not right-wing, let alone being radical and fanatical about their ideals as I am.
As I see the lack of complete devotion and their love of their own money and lives, I'd say that these men are not radicals. Neither do they have an ideology, to be honest, and if they do, what is it?
Quote:I remember when I was in school studying the rise of Nazism how there was nothing uniquely German about it.Well, the very basic tenets of nationalism can apply to all nations who have a nationalistic movement. Other than that, they are unique to the point of their birth.
National socialism however had the luck of being born in the same time as the other nationalist and anti-communist movements were born, so it found people that it could associate itself with.
Quote: It's a disease that can infect any country under the right conditions and eternal vigilance is needed to keep it at bay.I personally believe nationalism to be the cure. The real sickness, which is materialist individualism, is what actually runs rampart, and a healthy dose of collectivist and inspiring nationalism is required to cure it.
Quote:If you had told me during the 90s what was to come, what the right wing would be getting away with, I'd have said you were crazy. A war of aggression under false pretenses with no questions asked and no accountability?Well, that's what happened. However is it the first time that it did in America? The whole USA is built on false pretenses and wars of aggression against the native americans, but no one really bothers to ask about them. So what really is different? They had oil, you had guns and the NATO. It figures.
Quote: And we'd actually re-elect that president? Impossible. I even remember saying in 2003 that if all Bush's claims about Iraq turn out not to be true, he'll be impeached so quickly his butt would leave skid marks through the rose garden.As will all of Obama's claims about Qaddafi and Assad...Well, he simply does not seem to be very different from Bush, I'd say.
I hate partizans, partizans generally try to justify their own wrongdoings by citing the wrongdoings of a party that was formerly the ruling party.
That's what democracy brings you to. All about putting the blame to someone else.
Quote:American style fascism seems a lot more unhinged than the versions I've seen in other countries. The Italian fascists could make the trains run on time but the American version can't seem to govern at all.Obviously you don't know much about Italian fascism as to call the tea-party and the republicans "fascists". They're not fascists, they're simply nothing but people who're just too "American", which means, greedy, and only concerned with their own selves. Do you think that they oppose the healthcare reform on political grounds? Do you even think that they have ever read Adam Smith or John Locke?
And if anything, those men were not fascists.
Quote:Our war of aggression in Iraq was so poorly planned that the entire occupation seemed improvised, as if our leaders really expected we'd be greeted with sweets and flowers and all would simply be well because we were there.Of course, they were the same in Vietnam. And back then it was JFK who was the president, and he sure as hell was of the Democratic party.
And well, nothing is really well in anywhere where the internationalist mindset of America sets his foot upon. The mindset that you share with the republicans.
Quote:At home, the administration was so disastrous it all came crashing down in 2008. When out of power, all they can seem to do is sabotage.Sabotage, sure. If they were as fanatical as you had said, I'd have expected an armed insurgency.
Quote:The good news is that their power and voting bloc are on the wane. The only way the GOP stayed in power in the House is by severe "gerrymandering" (if you're not familiar, its drawing voting districts in such obtuse ways as to isolate the opposition voters into one block and thereby give control to your side of as many districts as possible). The bad news is that radical right ideologies in any country are not known to go quietly into the night. As their power wanes, fascists become more desperate and more destructive. Hence what we're seeing now.Well, a real ideology, a firm ideology, and an ideology that wants to change something does not go quitely into the night. They erupt in booms, just as it happened in Germany and Russia.
And who are these so-called tea-party guys? All they do, from what I see, is to go around wielding signs with Ayn Rand quotes on them, while accusing the opposing side with fascism. Pfft.
(October 11, 2013 at 10:54 am)Isun Wrote: Then you haven't really paid much attention to politics in this country.
Then please enlighten me.
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