How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?

[John V]

Hardly a moral reason.

Appeal to the immorality of the words you spew.

Your opinion is noted.

Ah, but then we run into that problem where god doesn't have ownership over human lives without contravening free will: you guys keep going on about how god isn't responsible for human actions because of free will, but that extends to the creation of more humans through sex, doesn't it?

I've told you several times that I'm not concerned about free will.

Besides, given that the alternative is a normal life that isn't filled with meaningless agony, something that would cost god nothing, then I don't particularly see that as gracious.

That's an alternative. Another is non-existence. Another is growing up, sinning, and going to hell for eternity. There are a number of alternatives.

Then you are beyond hope. And severely lacking in creativity, if you believe that the only method by which god could impart whatever message he felt was required, is through something as needlessly cruel as that.

How does one learn to give comfort if no one needs comforting?

I'm discussing the initial point, John. It's got nothing to do with abortion.

Dodge.

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By what measure? Any benefit you try to ascribe to suffering is negated by the fact that god is omnipotent and could bring about those benefits any way possible. Suffering is superfluous to an omnipotent god unless suffering is goal.

You can't learn to comfort if no one needs comforting.