(November 24, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote:(November 24, 2013 at 8:50 pm)FiniteImmortal Wrote: Ironic, coming from a Colon, and a Captain no less.
Rather than a one line zinger, do you have a counter-point or do Captains not waste their time with riff-raff?
I'd love for anyone to explain to me how "Rights" are a rational discussion in a purely material universe. If this is purely material, can we please stop bull-shitting ourselves and stop cherry picking only the things of convenience from a transcendent worldview?
Your diatribe underestimates a woman's value and suggests only christianity attempts to elevate women to equal status in a material world.
So...full of shit.
Interesting take. It seems to me a material world can not elevate women anywhere. In a purely Darwinian worldview, success can only be based on its species' ability to survive and procreate. Anything beyond that is brought about by society, it HAS to, it wont come from rocks or empty space. This is where the problem lies. When "rights" are voted in or out either by the people or by a centralized government, personal happiness and individual liberty is oppressed. We saw what happened in Germany, at that time the most educated society in the world.
A "right" exists absolutely, forever. It cannot be taken away or added, only violated. It means it existed before we got here, and will endure after we leave, period. Women have essential worth, all humanity does. Christianity is claiming that it should not be violated, Humanism claims it is up to us to decide what is sacred, that we may pick and choose based on the situation.
Now, there may be other worldviews that attempt to protect women's god-given rights, but if they are operating from a purely material framework, they are left to deciding what are "rights" are based on what seems correct, and is purely PRAGMATIC. This "what seems correct" can vary a HUGE degree, as we see in the modern world of corruption.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is sacred. The de-sacrilization of modern society is de-elevating Womenhood and all of humanity to being a bi-product of primordial slime, of time plus matter plus chance. Where is essential worth and hence, unalienable rights in that? How can you make a moral pronouncement that Women's rights ought not be violated, in a non-mortal framework? You must borrow from a transcendent worldview in order to debunk it.
What seems closer to reality? Women are the pinnacle of beauty and an amazing creation; made in the express image of an infinite God, or... What? What worldview could ever put Womenhood on a higher pedestal that that?
Not trying to ruffle feathers here, just thoughtfully interact.
"When the tide is low, every shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner
