(December 12, 2013 at 10:33 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:(December 12, 2013 at 10:21 am)TaraJo Wrote: There shouldn't be, though, because when you get past the anger and hostility and blame, both sides tend to want the same thing. Which is what makes their hate for each other absurd.Actually the sexes are set against each other by biology. So it's not that absurd, we're merely trying to conquer our biology with our intellect when striving for equality. Equality doesn't come naturally to us.
Quote:If men want a place to talk about issues of sexism from their perspective, and they want to be able to do it without having to worry about feminists coming in and telling them that they're misogynists or if they want other people who can relate with their experiences, these groups would be kinda perfectly suited for that. At least that's what I think.But is that what they want to do? Because that's how feminism started, sort of, because women's issues cannot be talked about by women and be taken seriously. (Nowadays it's better but in some cases you still cannot do that without being called a manhater) If we want to achieve equality and escape this "battle of the sexes" model, just seems like the separation won't get us there.
Quote:Because the group would be formed by men who feel like feminism doesn't give them the opportunity to talk about mens issues.And feminism groups are formed by people who feel like they do not have the opportunity to talk about these issues without the backing and resources of the group.
Quote:I've seen some groups try to do that, but they do seem to be on the rare side. I think the best example I can think of, if anyone wants to give the a look, is the good men project. Here's the link to their site.
I'll have a look.
(December 12, 2013 at 10:24 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Yes I'm being general. That is what happens all the time though, even if you look back at the comments in this thread earlier (not by you obviously) you may see some of it. What I disagree with is the idea feminists are working towards equality, I find that hard to buy and there is no evidence for it that at all. What they work is more rights for women.
When women do not enjoy equal rights as men do, then there is no equality. When women enjoy these rights, there's equality for both men and women because they're now more equal in the rights they legally enjoy.
Uh yeah of course. That said these feminists groups are not fighting for equality, many of these people want superiority. If they fighting for equality then why do they freak out over the idea of men meeting to discuss issues from their perspective. Given how they react when men disagree with them, I find it difficult to believe these people want equality. Let me say it like this, women should have groups where they can meet and discuss issues and campaign for rights, just don't try to tell me you want everyone when in most cases you don't. ( I don't use you to refer to you specifically.
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To the last syllable of recorded time;
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To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
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