(December 12, 2013 at 10:09 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:(December 12, 2013 at 3:11 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Actually I think Tara just stated my position better then I did.Oh you mean custody cases. Yea I'd agree that's one area where men are shortchanged. But I'm from a muslim country, in shariah fathers get custody by default or it's extremely difficult for women to get custody in divorce, extremely. So nonmuslim men often convert after their divorce to get tried in shariah courts so that they can get custody by default. And I also know mothers who refuse to take custody after divorces.
So I definitely agree that custody shouldn't favour one side over the other so strongly just because of cultural "norms". But I'm not sure what this has to do with feminism. If we were to point out all the places where women are shortchanged and say men's rights group aren't doing shit for that, that wouldn't really be fair, would it? Because first of all we don't know if they are doing things about it, but we certainly cannot fault them for how things are today.
And this is a very north american view of women's issues, if you look at the third world countries, there is a great need for feminism and a fight for women's rights. In N america I feel like people spend a lot of time squabbling over the details (custody isn't a detail, but other issues), but in many places in the world, women don't even get to go to school or work just because they're women. When disaster strikes in third world countries women are more likely to die than men, women suffer higher rates of infant mortality than men in several different countries, in refugee camps women often have to have "survival sex" to get food and resources to keep themselves alive. So feminism isn't going to stop just because some groups have lost sight of what they're doing because there's still a great need for women's rights in many parts of the world. I'm not going to say these are issues that men's rights have to deal with to prove they're for equality. What's the point of that? It's petty. Whoever is going to deal with it deals with it, someone needs to, that's all.
Oh on point I most certainly agree, much more work needs to be done in the third world, actually I would not mind volutoeeri g for a organization that was committed to that. The only issue I cab think is that feminist movements in the third world especially the islamic countries will need to be home grown at least at first. I really doubt westerns campaigning there would be taken seriously enough to make any large change. I think maybe the best way to help would be to provide good solidinformation to women those countries on the status of women in other parts of the world. Forgive me for thinking outloud a little, you got me rolling. But I have a suspicion that women in oppressed countries are often lied about all sorts of things in the outside world, so getting them good information is a start. Clerics are a issue though, some country may try to behead a feminist movement, hrmmm.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
