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Worst atheistic argument?
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RE: Worst atheistic argument?
(February 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm)objectivitees Wrote: Yes it does have to do with Atheism. Atheism presupposes Naturalism (metaphysic belief), Science and logic are the means by which Atheists claim to be able to know things (Epistemology), and majority rules are all that left when you remove absolute standards. (ethic)

This is a worldview, just because some Atheists are not aware of the Metaphysic or Ethic aspect of their worldview, doesn't mean they don't have one.
Atheism doesn't presuppose Naturalism. You can be an atheist and still believe in the supernatural, since the word "atheist" simply rules out believing in a god, not all supernatural entities. As someone mentioned before, nothing stops an atheist from believing in fairies.

Science and logic are the means by which most people (not just atheists) claim to be able to know things. They are not the only ways, nor (as I also pointed out) is it a requirement of atheism that you must believe in science. You can reject science and still be an atheist, since the concepts at the heart of atheism are philosophical in nature (I thought you agreed with me on that one?).

Atheism does not equate having relative moral values. You can be an absolutist and be an atheist...nothing stops this. The only difference between theistic absolutists and atheistic absolutists is that the absolute nature of morals for the atheist doesn't come from God, but from somewhere else.
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Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 16, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 6:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Frank - March 16, 2010 at 7:41 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 16, 2009 at 7:29 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Minimalist - September 17, 2009 at 12:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 12:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 16, 2009 at 8:34 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 16, 2009 at 9:00 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 16, 2009 at 9:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - September 16, 2009 at 9:45 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 2:30 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 11:37 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 11:43 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 12:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 17, 2009 at 4:07 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 4:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Minimalist - September 17, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - September 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 17, 2009 at 6:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Altar - February 22, 2010 at 10:26 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:44 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 17, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2009 at 6:50 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 17, 2009 at 11:07 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 17, 2009 at 11:51 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 12:12 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 4:09 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 2:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - September 18, 2009 at 9:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 12:19 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:02 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:36 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:39 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:41 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 5:47 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - September 18, 2009 at 5:50 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 18, 2009 at 10:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 19, 2009 at 12:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - September 18, 2009 at 10:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Eilonnwy - September 18, 2009 at 11:02 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 19, 2009 at 10:02 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 19, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 7:43 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 1:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 2:06 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - September 20, 2009 at 8:00 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 8:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Purple Rabbit - February 10, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 10, 2010 at 6:10 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - February 10, 2010 at 6:15 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ace Otana - February 10, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 12:15 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 11, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 3:58 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 11, 2010 at 6:55 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by chatpilot - February 11, 2010 at 9:00 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Edwardo Piet - February 11, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - February 11, 2010 at 1:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 11, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by LEDO - February 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 11, 2010 at 7:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 11, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 11, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 1:11 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 12, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - February 12, 2010 at 3:14 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 1:34 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 2:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 3:25 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Meatball - February 18, 2010 at 4:33 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:08 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 5:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 18, 2010 at 7:52 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 7:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 18, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 7:51 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 8:12 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 8:15 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 8:21 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 18, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - February 18, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 18, 2010 at 8:50 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Darwinian - February 18, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - February 18, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - February 18, 2010 at 9:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - February 23, 2010 at 1:02 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - February 23, 2010 at 1:59 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - February 23, 2010 at 2:47 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 23, 2010 at 6:19 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Welsh cake - February 23, 2010 at 7:18 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 23, 2010 at 7:29 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by theVOID - February 24, 2010 at 7:16 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - February 24, 2010 at 7:05 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - February 24, 2010 at 10:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 9, 2010 at 5:48 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - March 8, 2010 at 4:04 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 8, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 8, 2010 at 7:44 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by objectivitees - March 8, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 9, 2010 at 4:19 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 9, 2010 at 3:28 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Rhizomorph13 - March 9, 2010 at 5:58 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 12, 2010 at 9:14 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 12, 2010 at 9:49 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 1:51 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 13, 2010 at 4:12 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Violet - March 13, 2010 at 4:31 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 13, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by downbeatplumb - March 14, 2010 at 11:52 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 14, 2010 at 5:53 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by leo-rcc - March 14, 2010 at 6:38 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tackattack - March 14, 2010 at 6:40 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 14, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Autumnlicious - March 16, 2010 at 2:39 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 16, 2010 at 6:13 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2010 at 7:55 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Tiberius - March 16, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 9:28 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by Frank - March 17, 2010 at 12:56 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 10:30 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 16, 2010 at 11:04 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by padraic - March 16, 2010 at 11:16 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 16, 2010 at 11:48 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 16, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by tavarish - March 17, 2010 at 12:30 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by TruthWorthy - March 17, 2010 at 12:55 am
RE: Worst atheistic argument? - by libraryowl - March 26, 2010 at 9:02 am

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