RE: Maybe People Should Not Look Up To YouTube Atheist
December 23, 2013 at 4:30 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2013 at 4:32 am by là bạn điên.)
(December 23, 2013 at 12:04 am)Esquilax Wrote:(December 22, 2013 at 11:15 pm)là bạn điên Wrote: Women shouldn't take precautions against rape since it is 'mens responsibility'
Isn't it actually the men's responsibility though? I don't know why you put that in scare quotes, I think that the man that is raping has orders of magnitude more responsibility for the rape than the woman who walked into a dark alley.
I use 'scare quotes' because I object to the phrasal noun 'men's responsibility' because there is no collective 'men's responsibility'.
Any crime must contain: Intention, capability and oppurtunity. Clearly potential victims have a great deal of agency in curbing opportunity. As a third party I have almost no influence over Intention, Capability or Opportunity.
Society can limit the opportunity of already established offenders through incarceration ( or more drastic methods) and may be able to limit some intention through sex offender treatment programmes to the already incarcerated (though their efficacy does NOT seem to be well established). I have no seen a single way that intention can be removed society wide .
I therefore believe that the gender Feminist movement have NO effective remedies for rape and actively seek to oppose the best possible action that the potential victim can take (ie reducing opportunity)
(December 23, 2013 at 2:44 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(December 23, 2013 at 12:04 am)Esquilax Wrote: Isn't it actually the men's responsibility though? I don't know why you put that in scare quotes, I think that the man that is raping has orders of magnitude more responsibility for the rape than the woman who walked into a dark alley.....did we not just have this debate. I'll sone it up. Yes women can do things to protect themselves and it should not be taboo to talk about it. However if some sick fuck commits rape, yes it is him that should be punished no matter what the woman was doing or not doing.
I don't disagree with any of what you state. Gender Feminists do disagree with what you state. They claim that women needn't do anything because ,supposedly, all men are responsible for rape.
