(March 18, 2014 at 1:02 am)tor Wrote: Most people don't rally against religion for no reason. Say what is that about religion that you specifically dislike.
I go first.
A belief that god can prevent evil but chooses not to and is still a good god(pisses me off).
Sexual oppression of the mind(saying that healthy things are wrong which causes people to be ashamed of themselves and their thoughts for no good reason and also can cause mental illness).
Hell threats(as if I deserve it more than them).
Thanking god for good things I do and good things I get(tired of hearing this shit).
Also I'm tired of religious people looking at me as an abomination when I say I don't believe in a god. Go fuck yourself seriously.
Also I am tired of people who think religion is a solution for everything and if I have any sort of problem it's because of my atheism.
Also I'm fucking tired of religion constantly popping up in movies and music.
Also tired of the idea that only meaning that is possible is by believing in gods plan or whatever(how did they come up with this shit?).
But what I hate most is theodicy. Religion poisons minds so much that they will defend everything god does as just. Diseases, disasters, evils you name it. And then want me to respect their religion. Can't wait for this taboo to collapse and religion to die. Hope it will happen in my lifetime so I can see it myself.
I entirely agree with all of these, but as I address what I dislike in religion I want to try and suggest these answers, for I have found myself sifting through these same questions as well:
First of, any religious person who holds the view you stated needs to put down their faith for a minute and really think about these things seriously, and honestly. Then see where they end up.
"A belief that god can prevent evil but chooses not to and is still a good god" - It's not even that he can prevent evil, but get this, he knew this would happen and yet ALLOWS evil to be a part of existence. It honestly bothers me. I have found some peace thinking of it like this: Allow suffering to speak. Allow evil to be heard. Sure, its bad, and shouldn't happen. But it did. So something is wrong. Something deep within either us, or God. I am currently still exploring this.
"Sexual oppression of the mind(saying that healthy things are wrong which causes people to be ashamed of themselves and their thoughts for no good reason and also can cause mental illness)." - To make an argument consider this: It's not that God wants to repress us sexually, but rather make life simpler. Having only one sexual partner does simplify life quite a bit (I'm sexually active and wish I wasn't sometimes). If you are sexually active, you're not doomed to "hell" and any Christian who says specifically, "You are a sinner! You're doomed!" they can taste their own medicine dripping ironically from their own mouth.
"Hell threats(as if I deserve it more than them)." - That's just unacceptable, and ignorant. And if it is true they are simply along for the ride themselves.
"Thanking god for good things I do and good things I get(tired of hearing this shit)" - This one I've had a change of heart about recently. I've looked at it like this: I go about my day sometimes bored, and ungrateful, not seeing the many blessing that are around me (I was born free, I have healthy parents, I'm better off than third world countries, and I did nothing to deserve any of this). So its not that I'm waking up bowing down 100 times, saying 1000 prayers and hopping on one leg (as some religious people might expect, give or take a hyperbole or two). But rather reminding myself when I get caught up in the routines of day-to-day, not to become blind to the beauty around me. (And then my Christian beliefs naturally lead me to being thankful to God without obligation).
"Also I'm tired of religious people looking at me as an abomination when I say I don't believe in a god. Go fuck yourself seriously.
Also I am tired of people who think religion is a solution for everything and if I have any sort of problem it's because of my atheism." - I clump both of these together because there is honestly no way around them. In this case, you're in the right. And I don't stand for it one bit.
"Also I'm fucking tired of religion constantly popping up in movies and music." - Me and you both friend
It's poor quality, and masturbatory. But as a Film Production Major, I personally do believe that everyone has a right to voice their beliefs in their work. And I believe the adapting of bible stories or anything really, is a noble intention in itself. Even if its altogether poor quality. The creator will just have to be prepared to deal with the appropriate consequences especially if they're not being honest about their own beliefs on the topic, and presenting it in a propagandistic way. I personally try to avoid those type of projects at all cost."Also tired of the idea that only meaning that is possible is by believing in gods plan or whatever(how did they come up with this shit?)." - I believe any Christian who has said hasn't really thought through what they are actually trying to say, and in result make themselves sound ignorant (unless they were like that to begin with...). I believe if one thinks that if meaning stems from life then they have to come to do one of two things: redefine the word "meaning" or come to the conclusion that a mind brought forth meaning since you cannot having meaning without someone to endow it. And chances are it'd be more likely to choose the prior.
As far as theodicy...I agree, it's frustrating. Confirmation bias is frustrating. And to try and defend this point would alone discredit what I'm saying. I think if Christians don't know what they are talking about they need to be honest. After that... I really just don't know!
Sorry about the long response!
