Argument #2: Evolution Of Species

[Revelation777]

Apologies if this has already been covered; I'm catching up and replying on the fly.

Well many of your government leaders, judges, law officers, etc. believe God created everything, does that make them idiots too?

Here's how it works. Please take the time to take this on board, beacuse it really is key to the entire issue.

The Earth, like every planet we know, is spherical. Slightly flattened at the poles, hence "oblate". Now...

A man believes the world is a flat, circular plane. Does that change the shape of the world?

The man points to an ancient book which supports his belief. Does that change the shape of the world?

The man finds ten people who agree with him. Does that change the shape of the world?

Those people recruit thousands of followers. Does that change the shape of the world?

Some of those people are scientists. Does that change the shape of the world?

Eventually the group grows to millions, some of them world leaders. Does that change the shape of the world?

Soon the entire population believes the world is a flat, circular plane. Whole websites and libraries are filled with literature declaiming the truth of the world's being a flat, circular plane.

Does that change the shape of the world?

Would the world, if able to express a preference, care?

That is why the argument from popularity is a logical fallacy. We already know there are people with such beliefs; but belief in a thing does not equal the true nature nor even the existence of that thing.

Are you insinuating that the Bible says the world is flat? It doesn't say that.

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You will be given your chance to explain yourself before Him. I hope you repent long before that fateful day.

Blasphemy of the holy spirit. Unforgivable sin.

Are you claiming that the unforgivable is somehow now forgivable? Sorry, Rev - I have to call bullshit on that.

You're just making this shit up as you go, aren't you?

The way you blaspheme the Holy Ghost is by continuing to reject the Lord. Hope you don't do that.

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He has, He sent His prophets and His Son and man rejected their message and killed them. What more do you want Him to do?

How about something we can fucking observe?!

It was observed, and millions of changed lives attest to their own personal testimony of how Jesus changed them.

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He has, He sent His prophets and His Son and man rejected their message and killed them. What more do you want Him to do?

God sucking my dick without an intermediary would probably do it for me.

I must warn you I will place you on my ignore list if you continue to be so disrespectful to the Lord.

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Jesus made the claim He is the Son of God.

You're not Jesus.

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Not if you say you're a Spiritualist. Spiritualism is a recognised religion.

And that somehow makes it not nuts?

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He lives in my heart.

So do heartworms.

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He will come as a thief in the night. Please repent before it is too late.

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Read Genesis 1 for clarity:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

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Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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So sharks and whales and cod are all the same 'kind'?

The Lord was not terrible specific on that kind of breakdown.

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God can do as He well pleases. If you make your own universe then do as you please.

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I don't believe in invoking magic, I believe in the Holy Bible.

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First you invoked that God can do anything, literally anything, a kind of magic, and then you claim you don't invoke magic.

One of these statements is a lie. Which one is it, Rev?

Regardless, that ERVs can be made consistent with the God hypothesis by invoking magic doesn't make them any less strong as evidence for evolution, as they are consistent with that hypothesis as well. They are a startling confirmation of common descent even IF you could achieve the same result with 'magic'. Do you have any actual evidence that God rather than evolution did it, or are you gonna settle for invoking magic as an answer?

I don't God's divine power magic.