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RE: Marriage discrimination struck down in Arkansas.
May 11, 2014 at 5:58 pm (This post was last modified: May 11, 2014 at 6:03 pm by kılıç_mehmet.)
(May 11, 2014 at 5:43 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: Mehmet you said that traditions change via majority consensus. Therefore if the majority (straight people I assume) decide that gay marriage is fine with them, then by your standards is gay marriage acceptable?
Just curious.
Well, in such a hypothetical case, acceptablility would not be my call, that's what I'm saying. However, that would mean that the majority would have to invent new traditions, which would need to take hold over certain generations. Traditions do not change overnight, especially traditions concerning marriage, having been shaped by centuries.
They form the basis of social institutions that constitute the pillars of society.
However, I don't think that such a hypothetical case will ever be reality, as what you're advocating here is, in my opinion, quite radically opposed to the traditions that define marriage, and therefore society, you'd need to destroy these traditions completely to actually redifine the concept of marriage in the majority's mind.
(May 11, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(May 11, 2014 at 5:38 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: They do not meet the proper criteria to be married, meaning. The concept of marriage aims to create families, families that fit the description of the traditions associated with marriage.
But since the liberal and rootless cosmopolitan mentality tries to tear down everything related to traditional social norms and institutions, they try to re-define what marriage actually tries to accomplish.
Another thing is to normalize homosexuality by giving it what it never had before, legitimacy.
Well, as it seems, no. I think hat today, only the people who have no stake in marriage are the ones who get to define what marriage and what its not.
Traditions are changed via majority consensus. The way I see it, the minority forces its ways upon the majority consensus.
Well, I'd say that heterosexual relationships are what is considered normal, and anything else is considered abnormal. I think that there is a consensus to that in any part of the world you visit.
And in any part of the world, marriage is defined by the standards of normal people, by that, heterosexuals who have at least some use for marriage.
Acceptance is one thing, redefining society according to them is another thing.
Besides, for that to happen, like me being part of the minority in this regard, I'd say that you'd need to brainwash at least 5 more generations with your pro-gay bullshit.
Well, I don't think that they do actually recognize marriage either. They have already attacked everything that made marriage important, they glorify extramarital relationships, they glorify individualism and abortions, and they disattach marriage from its traditional connection with child-bearing and child raising.
What else remains? Now they wish to include *them* as though as they had always been part of it.
When anyone thinks of marriage no one thinks of two guys in suits or two girls in wedding gowns, and this actually makes them cringe, the fact that they will never be part of contemporary society. So they viciously attack every social institution that was traditionally not open to their kind.
And when anyone says otherwise, they simply call them bigots, fascists and etc.
Nice.
And in addition to this, this neo-liberal bullshit is slowly backfiring, and reaction is on the rise, especially in Europe. I wonder what you're gonna do when it hits the US aswell.
Throughout human history there have been many forms of "traditional marriage"
Who's to say today's norms aren't in need of changing just as many of the other 'norms" have been changed through humanity evolving.
"Many forms", by that, I assume that you're referring to cases of monogamy and polygamy. However the fact is, that they have been centered on the concept of a union between a man and a woman, and the importance of conceiving and raising children within that marriage, through biological reproductory processes, or in some cases, adoptions.
To be honest, any tradition regarding marriage that you might look for anywhere on earth, it will be related to the same concept involving a man and a woman.
You're merely trying to introduce something new into it without actually accounting for its popularity.