(May 11, 2014 at 5:58 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(May 11, 2014 at 5:43 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: Mehmet you said that traditions change via majority consensus. Therefore if the majority (straight people I assume) decide that gay marriage is fine with them, then by your standards is gay marriage acceptable?Well, in such a hypothetical case, acceptablility would not be my call, that's what I'm saying. However, that would mean that the majority would have to invent new traditions, which would need to take hold over certain generations. Traditions do not change overnight, especially traditions concerning marriage, having been shaped by centuries.
Just curious.
They form the basis of social institutions that constitute the pillars of society.
However, I don't think that such a hypothetical case will ever be reality, as what you're advocating here is, in my opinion, quite radically opposed to the traditions that define marriage, and therefore society, you'd need to destroy these traditions completely to actually redifine the concept of marriage in the majority's mind.
(May 11, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Beccs Wrote:"Many forms", by that, I assume that you're referring to cases of monogamy and polygamy. However the fact is, that they have been centered on the concept of a union between a man and a woman, and the importance of conceiving and raising children within that marriage, through biological reproductory processes, or in some cases, adoptions.
Throughout human history there have been many forms of "traditional marriage"
Who's to say today's norms aren't in need of changing just as many of the other 'norms" have been changed through humanity evolving.
To be honest, any tradition regarding marriage that you might look for anywhere on earth, it will be related to the same concept involving a man and a woman.
You're merely trying to introduce something new into it without actually accounting for its popularity.
No. It's been centred around a man and many women, or a man and his female slaves, or a man and any women they can get their hands on, including raping virgins, in the Abrahamic traditions.
Many other cultures accepted gay relationships, especially among men.
Now, if your view of a marriage is valid simply because of the chance for kids, do you therefore not recognise marriages where the couples choose not to have kids, or marriages between elderly people?
If you're determined that tradition trumps all then let me mention that slavery was traditional for ceenturies, as were many other things we find abhorrent today.
If we can change our attitudes on those, why is marriage such a sticking point?
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