Marriage discrimination struck down in Arkansas.

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I made an explanation regarding infertile people, elderly and those who do not wish to have kids.

Is that what you call that? You said they were only small groups, and then... that was it. You just kinda... dismissed it out of hand by reasserting your initial case, leaving the special pleading intact, only now with the added benefit that we can all see how unwilling you are to actually address a salient point.

Besides, people who are infertile do seek out ways to have children, and medicine supports them in this regard.

And gay people can do the same, since you've got such a boner for families. In fact, even leaving aside surrogacy and IVF options, legalizing gay marriage would do much to alleviate the stress on the foster care system.

Just another way your state argument falls apart, revealing the much more insipid truth behind it, I suppose.

That I am, I find their ways disgusting, and I do not need to hide this, if I weren't, I'd be one of them.

Hey, there's your real argument! Finally, a bit of honesty!

Well, it isn't really a conspiracy if its done in the open. I'm just saying whatever I'm seeing.

Yes, it's called the "I am the world" fallacy.

Degeneracy, trying to triumph over decency.

Two people wanting a loving, committed relationship is degenerate? And don't immediately leap to talking about anal sex, because that's not what this is about at all. That remains legal even without gay marriage, so don't try to deflect with that garbage.

Rootlessness, trying to triumph over tradition.

Except that you've already admitted and accepted that traditions change over time. You just don't seem to see the irony of spinning around and using the appeal to tradition fallacy this time. You've got this random line drawn in your head that, because this is the time you happened to be born in, all the traditions you grew up with are the ones that need to stay, because you're the most important person in the world, damn it!

If you lived in a country where the tradition was gay marriage only and no straight marriage, would you feel the same? If not, I'll thank you to drop this nonsense argument.

Illegitimacy, trying to triump over legitimacy.

And again, this strange notion that you and you alone get to decide what's legitimate. Don't we all get a say in that too?

Minority, trying to triumph over the majority.

Factually untrue: it's you that's in the minority, which is why it's so strange that you keep pulling this argument. It's almost as if the actual facts don't matter to you as much as your tired rhetoric does...

Gay marriage involves all these crimes in one notion.

So you admit that you're a criminal, trying to triumph over the majority, here?

Your individualistic mindset forces you to attack the person, rather than the idea that defines the person.
I do not define my views, my views define me.

And so far, your views are all you've given. It's very hard to attack an idea when all you've given is repetitions of your opinion with nothing backing them beyond further opinions. The fact that you have an interconnected layer of justifications and excuses for your bigotry that don't hitch up to the real world at all doesn't suddenly make them right, or justified.

It just means you like them.

I guess you know that being 49% does not equal to being a minority, it just means that you have split the nation in half.

Actually, given that your side is still 44%, and 70% of the younger generations support gay marriage, you are still in the minority, and that fact is only going to become more true as the old fogeys die off.

And I'm fairly certain that with the reaction against neo-liberalism on the rise, things will soon start to be a thorn on your side.

I don't put much stock in the fantasies of people who use terms like "neo-liberalism."

I am, both in the old world where I live and in the new world. And you yet have not managed to change the notion of what marriage really is(not that you can change something that has been so for thousands of years), marriage is still defined by the concepts of the union of a man and a woman and gays merely conform to that since they don't really have much of a tradition other than visiting gay bars and holding meth orgies.

So, now you're just denying demonstrable, polled facts in favor of pathetic speechifying. This isn't even an argument, it's just sad.

Well, your rhetoric is one sided as it is, my side is clear and so is yours.
My side is the side of the many generations before me, that have benefitted from the traditional form of marriage and family, had clean and well adjusted societies and members of society, instead of fringe degenerates who are consumed in their indvidualistic desire for abnormal pleasures that they wish everyone else to accomodate their ways by granting it legitimacy via marriage.
Your worldview is rotten, and when you realize it, it will already be too late.

So... no? Just pointless, well poisoning rhetoric with not even an allusion to anything factual?