(May 24, 2014 at 6:42 am)Confused Ape Wrote:(May 23, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Honestly there's so much on our side that the only reason religion is still around is because of the uneducated and indoctrinated. There's just not much that can penetrate some people's walls.
Where does Francis Collins fit in here? He's definitely educated and he says that he was an atheist who converted to Christianity. Sam Harris isn't convinced, though.
The Strange Case Of Francis Collins
Quote:Early in his career as a physician, Collins encountered a woman suffering from severe angina who appeared to take great comfort in her faith. She put the young doctor on the spot by asking him what he believed. This question shook Collins to his core. He says, “suddenly all my arguments seemed very thin, and I had the sensation that the ice under my feet was cracking.” Collins assures us that up until this moment he had been a staunch atheist.
How something breaks often says a lot about what it was. Collins’s claim to have been an atheist seems especially suspect, given that he does not understand what the position of atheism actually entails. For instance:
If God is outside of nature, then science can neither prove nor disprove his existence. Atheism itself must therefore be considered a form of blind faith, in that it adopts a belief system that cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason. (Collins, 2006, p.165)
So, Francis Collins wasn't a 'true atheist'.This is ignoring the fact that his views of atheism are now coloured by his Christian beliefs.
A few minutes googling shows that he isn't the only atheist who converted to a religion. So, in my opinion, arguments about lack of education and indoctrination should be used with caution.
He seems uneducated in the details of atheism if "what do you believe" shook him to his core. Not everyone fits the same mold. I suppose it's possible for an adult atheist to convert to a religious belief, but it's unlikely. Plus if one is so easily converted by a simple question, I doubt their newfound religious faith will be all that strong either.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html