(May 29, 2014 at 1:49 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: This has nothing to do with atheism. You advance the claim that natural organisms are intelligently designed, yet the only example of this claimed intelligent design is from a laboratory setting.
Neither atheism nor science advance any such claims, and you have not only failed to support the claims of ID, you've demonstrated how they are even more improbable by giving an example of an intelligently designed organism unlike anything witnessed in nature.
Big negative.
I advance the claim that natural organism could be intelligently designed. I don't believe they are, but I acknowledge they could be. I also believe it is a perfectly valid line of inquiry to look for evidence of such design and that such inquiry is still science even if it turns out to be fruitless.
(May 29, 2014 at 1:49 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:(May 29, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Heywood Wrote: Where is this substantial evidence? Have we replicated its evolution in the lab? If so I would be very interested in reading about it. Right now, as far as I know, only a pathway by which it could have evolved has been suggested. I wouldn't call a proposed pathway by which it could have evolved to be substantial evidence that it did in fact evolve.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13...4dwsIm9LCQ
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_flagella
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/d...ticle.html
http://evolutionfaq.com
http://www.microbemagazine.org/index.php...Itemid=674
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/w...agella.htm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a_5FToP_mMY
Your claim was we have substantial evidence that the bacterial flagellum did in fact evolve. You were asked to provide evidence of your claim. You failed miserably because these links you provided only suggest that the flagellum could have evolved....not that it did evolve. You have provided evidence for what you and I already agreed upon...that the flagellum could evolve. But your claim went beyond that....you claimed we have evidence it did evolve.
Do you have such evidence?