Abortion and Women's Rights

[John V]

I've already explained all of this to you.

You tried to justify it by saying that humans must eat meat to survive. I noted that that's not true.

Good. Now you can answer why you think you have the authority to make decisions for women and deny them their right of choice when you can't justify the lines you've drawn.

Same justification you use to do the same.

Beyond the fact that this isn't true, I provided a lengthy and thoughtful description of why self-awareness is a clear line for me, I'm not the one who seeks to deny women the right of choice.

For you? You would deny women the right to choice past 21 weeks, because it it's a clear line for you? Conception is a clear line for me.

Can you name for me any women who WANT to get an abortion after week 21?

There are still a few doctors in the U.S. who perform third trimester abortions, so some women do want them.

Can you name for me any "pro-choice" advocates who think late term (3rd trimester) abortions should be on demand?

Yes, I gave a link to an article by a true pro-choice advocate who believes you should drop the buts and just be pro-choice.

I've also answered that question as well. Person A's right to life trumping Person B's right to choice, except where Person B's life is also in danger. Person A doesn't exist prior to the brain development that occurs after week 21.

You arbitrarily choose brain activity as the cutoff. Why should your beliefs prohibit a woman from getting an abortion after you say that the baby is alive? What if she believes differently? I thought the pro-choice mantra was that this should be between the woman and her doctor. You apparently disagree.

Now, if you're done with the red herring and tu quoque evasion tactics, let's hear why you think you're justified in forcing your personal opinions on others.

The same reason you feel justified in doing the same. We both have the same overall position on the argument. We only disagree on the point at which life starts.

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You've given me a good and thoughtful counter argument, advocating viability instead of self-awareness as the standard for when "life", in the moral sense of the word, begins.

Viability has bigger problems.

Conceptually, does it make sense that a woman be forced to keep a baby inside her body because it could probably survive outside her body?

Also, viability is affected by technology. As you look forward to a time with AI, consider the situation if we become able to grow (so to speak) a baby from conception outside of the womb. Based on a viability standard, abortion should then be outlawed.