(July 2, 2014 at 2:22 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:(July 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm)blackout94 Wrote: Sometimes I just use the wrong words. Sorry if I offended you.
I'm not offended, you were contradicting yourself and I was pointing that out.
Quote:Let me rephrase it - A reasonable pro life will agree that there are exceptions.
The reasonable exception to abortion is the choice of the pregnant woman and that's the one exception so-called pro-lifers (read:anti-choicers) refuse to grant women. Pro-lifers who grant your three exceptions are more reasonable than the Todd Akins and Richard Mourdocks of the world, but just barely.
It's the woman's choice. That's the only reasonable exception. No woman should be forced to carry any pregnancy to term if she doesn't consent to it.
If a woman is raped and she chooses to carry the child to term and give birth, that's her choice.
If a woman is raped and she chooses to abort, that's her choice.
If a woman finds out that the fetus she is carrying has a genetic anomaly that will mean the baby will only live for a short time after birth or will live with a severe mental or physical disability and she chooses to carry it to term and give birth, that's her choice.
If a woman finds out that the fetus she is carrying has a genetic anomaly that will mean the baby will only live for a short time after birth or will live with a severe mental or physical disability and she chooses to abort, that's her choice.
If a woman needs an organ transplant and is being prepped for surgery and finds out that she's 8-weeks pregnant, it's her choice to move forward with the transplant and risk endangering the pregnancy or to cancel the transplant and carry to term and birth the baby hoping that another kidney or liver or heart comes back around for her. It's her choice. It's always her choice.
Quote:I simply used the words wrongly, I didn't literally mean there aren't some nutjobs that think women shouldn't abort even if they got raped.
In the future, qualify your position better by using words like "Many" or "most" or "some" instead of absolutes like "all" or "every."
Yes it's her choice. But pro lifers will say that abortion is not reasonable. You could say having a choice is reasonable because it makes everyone happy and no woman is forced to have an abortion, but pro lifers will accuse you of promoting 'murder', the debate will go on with no purpose.
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