RE: Christian motives to lie.
July 7, 2014 at 4:21 pm
(This post was last modified: July 7, 2014 at 5:09 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(June 23, 2014 at 4:34 pm)ronedee Wrote: No... just making you stress your pov.
You should never attempt a tactic that sophisticated, ronedee. You're just not up to it.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: What you were insinuating is that Christians don't know the truth, and that is why they are lying.
That's not what he said OR 'insinuated' AT ALL.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: People drinking Kool-aide usually means: because they "want" to. Not because they are "forced" to.
No, it doesn't. 'Drinking the kool-aid' is a phrase indicating that someone is holding an unquestioned and unquestionable belief without examining it carefully.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: So, you didn't say whether "ALL" was an appropriate use? Considering our universal Christian bias?
Get a clue: Whateverist was saying most Christians are NOT liars. NOT. Get it? NOT.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: "(I strongly suspect you are mistaken.)" ...Is that an answer? Or, do you have doubts in your own mind?
See my comment above about attempting to be sophisticated.
(June 23, 2014 at 10:34 pm)ronedee Wrote:(June 23, 2014 at 4:54 pm)whateverist Wrote: I can't seem to find where I used the word "ALL" so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Can you quote or link it?
I didn't mean you directly. I was originally getting your opinion on the use of the word. But thanks for clearing up my speculations on your answers.
Fair enough.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: Yeah. I'm seeing now, that the use of the word "ALL" is subjective.
Again, fair enough. Glad to meet you halfway whenever possible.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: But, that is a problem to me. Because I, as many many Christians don't fit the "bad" stereotypical profile that is the narrative here. And, that is my biggest gripe with you guys!
Not to be unkind, ronedee, but my stereotype of a Christian that posts on an atheist forum is that they will be eager to claim persecution, quick to take things the wrong way, and very confrontational. You're one of the reasons I've formed that stereotype, and it's one I have to resist thinking of too quickly when new Christian poster arrive on our shores.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: The intelligent ones here are willing to agree that most Christians are not like the few clowns, and news-makers.... yet I am measured by them continually!
Maybe you should be more careful how you say things. It's not like you've developed a reputation for being careful about what claims you make. Many of the people you regard as intelligent have, and are only holding you to the same standard to which they hold themselves.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: I don't think that is fair, or honest. And that was my original point.
And to ask in a truthful way.... What fun is it for you, and the others to acknowledge the vast majority of "good" Christians?
It's not fun, yet we do it alot because it's honest.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: That wouldn't support your disdain for religion.
I don't have a disdain for religion. I have a disdain for sloppy thinking. Religion supporters who are careful with their claims can easily earn my respect.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: Correct? Because clearly, its only a tiny percentage of BAD Christians you are pointing to.
Not tiny enough, but yeah. Business as usual isn't noteworthy. There's a reason why it can make the news when an atheist converts to a religion or commits any crime. Atheists usually don't make the news at all outside of the context of books or events, so it can be newsworthy when the media notices them drawing attention for a different reason. When a Christian deconverts or commits a crime, it's only news if the crime relates to their religion or if the person is in a religious hierarchy. You don't see headlines like 'regular church attendee kills wife and family', or 'former Christian turns atheist', the religion angle would come up if it was a pastor, though.
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: So, you are not "ALL" being 100% honest.
What does that even mean. What have we lied about? Or 10% lied about?
(June 23, 2014 at 4:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: Am I right? And if not, why am I wrong?
I'll say this. I can't imagine going to a Christian forum and throwing a ronedee-style fit about them talking about something an atheist did. Discuss, yes, possibly heated argument yes, whinge on about how much they hate atheists and making other wild accusations, no.
Here's your problem. You say it's unfair to characterize all Christians as liars, and we agree with you. But for some reason, that's not good enough for you.
(June 26, 2014 at 4:35 pm)ronedee Wrote: How would you respond to a thread subject: "Atheist motives to lie"?
Or... would I need some pluralization for it to bother you?
With some slight interest but little reason to believe there will be any substance to it. I'd at least read the OP to find out what was up.
How would you pluralize it? 'All atheists are motivated to lie'? That would be a stupid thing to say. Atheists don't have any motivation to lie that theists don't have.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
