RE: Why "mysterious ways" don't matter.
July 9, 2014 at 2:30 pm
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm by Welsh cake.)
(July 8, 2014 at 12:16 am)SteveII Wrote: To clarify, I believe God has foreknowledge of what is going to happen--contrasted against the view that God predetermines everything (Calvinism/Reformed Doctrine). I do not think that God predetermining events is logical and is not consistent with what is revealed about the nature of God.Calvinists will tell you you're wrong.
But more importantly, why should we believe either of you?
Quote:Let's suppose that God exists.Which one?
Quote:Do you think that a human mind could begin to comprehend a non-physical being that always existed (something that you cannot possibly wrap your head around), that has the power and intelligence to speak the unimaginable complexity of the universe into being (including time), whose mind is big enough to know all past and future events simultaneously?You just did. Otherwise, you wouldn't be describing it to us.
Of course you can comprehend it. It is your own bloody god-concept after all.

I can comprehend my own mental construct of a magical genie hippo that is beyond your ability to ever understand or recognize.
Does either concept make one single iota of sense? No. Because they are trying to, by definition, build up a god/genie-concept that cannot be scrutinized, investigated, examined or falsified by saying its beyond comprehension.
Its nothing more than a fallacy of untestability.
Quote:I am not trying to hide behind the "mysterious ways" argument, but you cannot demand a motive or "crimes to answer for" because it is illogical that a finite mind could hold details on an infinite number of future events--which is God's perspective.You'll find we can, because its not unreasonable.
If your sky daddy, my genie hippo is caught doing a morally terrible act, he will be called out on it, and/or held accountable for his actions. Finite vs. infinite is totally irrelevant to the topic of committing a crime, i.e. genocide or murder.
With great power comes great responsibility remember?