(July 10, 2014 at 11:53 am)Welsh cake Wrote:(July 10, 2014 at 7:49 am)SteveII Wrote: "People changing" doesn't change their nature.Ditch the word "nature" from now on please. You're invoking too many synonyms at once, thereby making the label's definition vague and useless. We refuse to play counterproductive semantic games that hinder a discussion.
Kindly use the terms 'personality' and 'ontology' from now on.
Can a person's personality change? Yes.
Can a person's ontology change? By definition, no. There's a limit. Significant and irreversible changes to their physical state can, and sadly, do occur within reality, would mean they would not be a living human being that one could identify as, a "person". So for the sake of dichotomy we have to say, no.
You're the type of believer who thinks god is immutable, correct? Even some Christians can appreciate their deity did change by shedding his divinity and becoming human. You know, Jesus Christ? Your so-called savior remember?
Theologians argue that if god changes it must change for the better or the worse. Which is asinine and silly. Change by itself, does not necessarily invoke nor imply benign or malignant results. You all need to look up the word "change" and stop playing around with it as you do with "nature".
Worse still, you believe a change that makes no positive or negative difference, is not a change.
Thank you for the suggestion on a better word.
I think most Christians believe Jesus did not shed his divinity.