Why "mysterious ways" don't matter.

[Mudhammam]

God's personality does not change between the Old and New Testament. Please provide examples.

Apart from the whole "bless thine enemies" and "turn the other cheek" bits, you could probably argue that God becomes intolerably worse in the New Testament. I mean, in the Old, sure he drowned babies and slaughtered entire cities, but at least those sufferings appear to have been extinguished at the grave. Not so in the New Testament. There God gives us all the joyous news that eternity is filled with ghastly horrors!

1. If naturalism is true and God does not exist, then our morals are a product of evolution.

Yes.

Evolution cannot provide for us a set of values that are true for all times.

Huh? Well in that case, neither does theism. Oh wait, you mean you still believe in the morality of stoning homosexuals, adulterers, and blasphemers? Nor should we be granted the knowledge of a "set of values that are true for all times" as that would imply we are omniscient, full of infinite wisdom for every situation at all times. Clearly, that's not how history works.

That being said, an objective basis for morality has always existed to the extent that we have had any capacity to self-reflect on the desirability of pleasure, pain, well-being, and suffering.

With naturalism, at some point in the past, basic survival would be at odds with many of our morals today (killing, harming others, personal freedoms, equality, taking care of the elderly, etc.). So, naturalism gives us relative values.

LOL. Yes, and incest in your view is also permissible when the only people on earth available to keep the human population going are your mother and sisters. Then, according to your God, bang the fuck of 'em! But you don't think that's okay now, right? I guess your morals are relative too.

2. Most of us believe that objective values do exist. It is right/good to take care of one's parents into their old age and realize even 100,000 years ago it would still have been the right thing to do and 100,000 years in the future, it will still be the right thing to do. Killing young children has been and will forever be morally wrong. We all intrinsically know when something is just plain wrong--even if a million people are doing it.

The best reason you can come up with for not raping and killing children is that God instructs you not to do so? Where do you think this "intrinsic" knowledge comes from? Natural selection is perfectly adequate to explain it.

3. Since naturalism cannot provide for objective moral values, some other source must exist. God is the most plausible source.

The slaughter of the Canaanites has been brought up as an argument against God being a source of moral values. If you are really interested in the Christian perspective on this, read this article: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/slaughter...canaanites.

Oh please. And the children even got free passes to heaven!