(July 12, 2014 at 11:04 pm)alexwenzel Wrote: It does not force anyone not to listen. God only warns because he does not want to lose anyone. Most people accept teachings without investigating.
It's not a matter of forcing anyone to listen. The problem is that the bible weaves into its rules a number of commandments specifically discouraging believers from listening to dissenters, or investigating alternatives once they've entered the faith.
Quote:God does not want us to kill anyone. God asks us to love even our enemies :-)
Love your enemies, while you kill them, then. There's also quite a lot in there about murdering followers of other religions, too. Have you not read the bible?
Quote:With all the respect I really don't think it can be done that way. But it is only my opinion.
It literally is done that way, even today. That's why you have parents drilling this stuff into their kids' heads before they're even old enough to understand it, why you've got churches with sunday schools, why you've got christian schools and summer camps and museums and all that. It's there to lay a foundation of indoctrination into children, because you can no longer do it by violence as the people during the time of the biblical authors could.
Quote:Okay my friend, here is one Scientific Fact about the Bible:
It is only very recently that scientists have discovered that the universe is stretching rather than slowing down. They are baffled, perplexed and cannot understand why this is happening. According to their theory of The Big Bang, everything should be slowing down then reversing for The Big Crunch (like a rubber band). Since they do not have an answer for it, they call this stretching force "Dark Matter". It is called "Dark Matter" because It can't be seen, measured nor explained.
However, the bible long before technology, reveled at least seven times that universe is stretching.
"The LORD wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a curtain." (Psalm 104:2)
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." (Isaiah 40:22)
"I am the LORD, who made all things. I alone stretched out the heavens." (Isaiah 44:24)
"Now over the heads of the living beings there was something like an expanse, like the awesome gleam of crystal, spread out over their heads." (Ezekiel 1:22)
To be short, so what? Why should I care that you can spin certain verses to mean something conveniently after science has already discovered it? We already know the bible is written in flowery, easily interpretable language that can be used to say all kinds of things. I could easily point out that in your first Isaiah quote, the earth is not a "circle," but I'm sure you'd just as easily spin it in another direction so that "circle" is defined as "not circle" in the bible. The fact that you can play little word games isn't convincing.
More importantly, if scientists discovered tomorrow that the universe isn't expanding, that their readings were wrong and the universe is shrinking, I would bet money that you wouldn't take that as a disproof of the bible. You'd just spin the words in a different way so that it confirms the complete reverse of what you claim it confirms now.
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