Why "mysterious ways" don't matter.

[SteveII]

So, you believe that the only system of moral values that we have is subjective and is therefore a matter of opinion. And these common sense opinions, when shared by a large group of people, can be relied on to form a system of morality that we can all live with.

Doesn't that roughly describe the situation here on the ground?

This only serves to create a list of acceptable/unacceptable behaviors. If someone disagrees with the current crowd-sourced list of acceptable behaviors, say, women are not mere objects to own [insert any objectionable act here] there is nothing inherently wrong with that--just that either he has move to a different part of the world or lobby for his position until enough have changed their minds it becomes the new norm.

Again, doesn't that roughly describe the situation on the ground?

If you do admit that other cultures are perfectly justified in creating their varied lists of acceptable/unacceptable behaviors, then that will bring up the question of why someone in our society should be held to our list?

Accepting that morality is subjective does not mean that you cannot prefer the contents of your own, or argue for the contents of your own over some other's.

We DO perceive that objective moral values and duties exist. Why would we not trust this perception?

Who's this we business, says I?

So, you believe that female genital mutilation in children is a preference and one should argue for one's view?

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You're quite good at deluding yourself, Steve. Or at least persistent.

Where are these objective principles of yours? Examples....not your bullshit "god said" stuff.

You need to see someone about your anger issues.

I did not mention God. I was arguing that there are objective values and duties.

A list of things that are not universally understood to be wrong:
1. Mutilating children
2. Honor killings
3. Suicide bombers
4. Slavery
5. Genocide
6. Women as property
7. Selling one's children
8. Abandoning children, elderly
9. Sex with children
10. Summary executions
11. Capital punishment for seemingly trivial crimes
12. Racial discrimination

Would you say these are all "wrong" or would you say that they are subjective depending on the circumstances or your culture?