(July 23, 2014 at 11:58 am)Heywood Wrote:No the difference is simple. Christians have a hypothesis of what god is. God is all loving and all powerful, right? And when that hypothesis is contradicted, they say "god's ways are mysterious." What they should say is, wait, maybe god either isn't all loving or isn't all powerful.(July 23, 2014 at 11:29 am)Jenny A Wrote: Not quite. Singularity refers to not knowing because of lack of evidence. "God works in mysterious ways" generally refers not just to things we can't explain, but to things that absolutely contradict what is otherwise said about god, i.e. god is all loving and all powerful, but children are dying due to hurricanes. It's as if we went on believing in gravity despite things falling up randomly about a third of the time as "gravity's mysterious ways," rather than realizing that there was something fundamentally wrong with the theory of gravity.
Wrong Jenny, A singularity is evidence your theory is incapable of describing that very thing you are calling a singularity. Scientist are incapable of telling us what is at the center of a black hole.....so they call it a singularity. Bible thumpers are incapable of explaining all of God's actions....so they say His ways are mysterious. Both explanations really amount to "I don't know".
We don't know what is in a black hole, but we do have theories. Any theory that doesn't match the facts we do know must be thrown in the scrap heap. And we do throw them in the scrap heap.
God's mysterious ways is a way of ignoring contradictions in what is said about god, not just labeling ignorance.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.