RE: Conservative atheists are better than you
August 6, 2014 at 6:33 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2014 at 6:37 pm by Dystopia.)
Commenting on the video:
1 - I agree that it is idiotic for an atheist to support a party who doesn't like State/church separation and is almost entirely Christian
2 - I don't see reasons why atheists can't be against gay marriage or abortion. Some atheists are just as prejudiced against gays as theists. Take a look at Russia, they are not that much religious and they hate gays. Prejudice is a human trait, hate is too a human trait, not a theist exclusive one. I also don't see reasons for some atheists to avoid imposing pro life legislation on women if they consider abortion immoral because they view a fetus as a human being, it's a perspective, not a very good one, but it's not impossible to formulate it. The example of my father in law, he is against gay marriage because he sees marriage without procreation as useless for society, he still has some dictatorship ideals from our former period in europe so don't take it harsh.
3 - Why can't an atheist be greedy and support the rich getting richer? Being an atheist doesn't entitle you automatically with intelligence and critical thinking, you could even be critical about religion and lack critical skills about anything else. I don't see reasons or motives for some atheists to not be greedy and favour tax breaks for themselves to keep more money
4 - About gun rights, since that problem is not set in europe I will not comment on it. I would have mixed views if I was an american, not anti, not pro, just in the middle
That being said, I don't think it is very reasonable to hold positions mentioned in number 2 and 3 as an atheist or any other kind of free thinker, I just don't support the idea that being an atheist automatically stops you from opting for those ideas... There are stupid superstitious atheists out there, if we start directing atheism towards a political idea, even if it is the most common one amongst members, it will soon become a cult of some sort. Let's just keep it as the lack of belief in gods or the belief that no gods exist
No problem, I know the video is about american politics, but I thought you were saying atheism is widely incompatible with any kind of conservatism. Pardon me I must say.
I guess I'm a republican because I consider a Repubic to be the best form of government, superior to a monarchy or an aristocracy, and saying that to an american would give the really wrong impression
1 - I agree that it is idiotic for an atheist to support a party who doesn't like State/church separation and is almost entirely Christian
2 - I don't see reasons why atheists can't be against gay marriage or abortion. Some atheists are just as prejudiced against gays as theists. Take a look at Russia, they are not that much religious and they hate gays. Prejudice is a human trait, hate is too a human trait, not a theist exclusive one. I also don't see reasons for some atheists to avoid imposing pro life legislation on women if they consider abortion immoral because they view a fetus as a human being, it's a perspective, not a very good one, but it's not impossible to formulate it. The example of my father in law, he is against gay marriage because he sees marriage without procreation as useless for society, he still has some dictatorship ideals from our former period in europe so don't take it harsh.
3 - Why can't an atheist be greedy and support the rich getting richer? Being an atheist doesn't entitle you automatically with intelligence and critical thinking, you could even be critical about religion and lack critical skills about anything else. I don't see reasons or motives for some atheists to not be greedy and favour tax breaks for themselves to keep more money
4 - About gun rights, since that problem is not set in europe I will not comment on it. I would have mixed views if I was an american, not anti, not pro, just in the middle
That being said, I don't think it is very reasonable to hold positions mentioned in number 2 and 3 as an atheist or any other kind of free thinker, I just don't support the idea that being an atheist automatically stops you from opting for those ideas... There are stupid superstitious atheists out there, if we start directing atheism towards a political idea, even if it is the most common one amongst members, it will soon become a cult of some sort. Let's just keep it as the lack of belief in gods or the belief that no gods exist
(August 6, 2014 at 6:30 pm)Zidneya Wrote:(August 6, 2014 at 6:23 pm)Blackout Wrote: In europe a conservative is not a republican (in europe a republican is simply someone who thinks a republic is better than a monarchy) so I guess we're not referring to the same type of political orientation. But on a broad sense, there's nothing stopping an atheist from being a conservative, maybe just not the american type. I always get these misunderstandings between me and americans because for me conservatism is largely different and in europe it equals american democrats
Oh sorry is just that I though that you were talking about the same kind of conservatism that Sarah Elizabeth Cupp belongs to. You know…since she is the subject of this topic.
Pardon me.
No problem, I know the video is about american politics, but I thought you were saying atheism is widely incompatible with any kind of conservatism. Pardon me I must say.
I guess I'm a republican because I consider a Repubic to be the best form of government, superior to a monarchy or an aristocracy, and saying that to an american would give the really wrong impression
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