RE: Abortion is morally wrong
August 16, 2014 at 10:29 pm
(This post was last modified: August 16, 2014 at 10:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 16, 2014 at 9:21 pm)answer-is-42 Wrote: You made a claim that I made a circular arguement, but that is NOT what i did - EVER = please quote where I made such a claim. I DID state I feel abortion is morally wrong and HERE IS WHY - that is calld a justificationWhich you did. If the premise of your argument is that we have a responsibility to provide life for a particular moral subject (in this case a fetus) then you have simply delineated abortion in that premise. It doesn't matter that you've managed to obfuscate this so completely that you don't even realize it. You don't actually require an argument, because your conclusion is already contained within the premise - and there's a word for that...nevertheless, I'm still trying to help you find that argument, whatever it may be.
Quote: so OF COURSE they are going to be consistent - gigglesticks -They should not be interchangeable.
Quote: just because you think you corrected some of my terms does not mean you UNDERSTOOD my arguement.lol,.........
Quote:My arguement is that we chose to have sex and that we therefore chose to be responsible for the repercussion of THOSE actionsWould this, then -more accurately- be your premise, rather than the last claim you made about what your premise was? K, I'm with you, good to see that you're trying. I think it's shaky, but so what, it's a premise - we haven't quite reached the point where we start to question the contents.
Quote: - and if it involves a moral subject then we DO have a responsibility to that subject.K, yup..yup, still with you on this (as I already mentioned)
Quote: IF you do not feel the fetus is a moral subject, then fine the rest of the arguement does not hold and we can have a different discussion on wether the fetus is a moral subject in a thread dedicated to that and I would be happy toAlready let you run with this one, page or so (maybe more) ago...but ah......your conclusion now seems to be a non-sequitur.
Quote:. Not sure where that arguement is circular, but please enlighten me.Nope, you managed to fuck it up in an entirely different way this time. Back to the drawing board. Let me lay this out for you,
We are responsible for the consequences of actions which we undertake by choice.
pregnancy is a consequence of sex
a fetus is a moral subject
Therefore abortion is morally wrong.
You're missing something to tie it all together. We could add yet more cumbersome claims (and we're already trying to take the long route) - or, we could change our premise to provide more direct access to the conclusion that we desire (reverse engineering logic, if you will..lol). As it stands, you're all over the board.
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