Women. Religion’s longestrunning victims.

[Bad Wolf]

No, verse 8 specifically says “men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling”. Following your logic the Bible teaches that men are 2nd class citizens since it has rules that only apply to men and not women. Given my argument, this rule is in place because men are more outwardly expressive with their anger and prone to quarrel; while the church authority rule is in place because women are more easily deceived in the spiritual realm. I see no problem with either rule because gender differences are a reality.

You rather spectacularly missed the point again. The verse says that women should answer to men. That is the problem. What jobs they do is irrelevant. Stop trying to make it out to be that. That is not equality, one sex being ruled by another.

Asserting that is the case does not make it so.

I know, and asserting what you are saying doesn't make it so either.

A police officer has authority over me in certain areas, however that does not prove that our legal system views me as a 2nd class citizen.

If the police officer had power over you because you were a man, then yes, you would be a second class citizen.

Right.....and who says this exactly? Has it been demonstrated? Observed? Documented? It isn't the bible perchance? How convenient, women shouldn't talk in church because they are more easily deceived [sic] in spiritual matters. We know this is true because it's in the bible and the bible says that everything in the bible is true.

Your claim was that the Bible had such rules because it viewed women as 2nd class citizens; I was refuting that claim by pointing out the actual reason why the Bible has such rules. Scripture is the final authority on spiritual matters; I find it amusing that you seem to think Christians are going to use something other than God’s own revelation as an authoritative source of information regarding the spiritual realm.

And I was trying to make you see your how ridiculous that is. Don't you ever wonder why the bible seems to hold the same values as yourself?

Nor does equality require identical roles in life. The verse never says women ought to be ruled over by men, it simply says that they are going to be, and they have been throughout history;

Riiiiiiiiight. Rationalise all you want, just know that your wrong.

just as men have had to work the Earth for food throughout history.

Were the men forced to work the earth for the women? Would they be punished by the women if they didn't?

Something cannot be literally sexist without literally teaching sexism. For some reason, I find myself constantly bearing the burden of forcing you guys to actually support what you assert to be the case. It gets old, but I guess it’s a good job for me. So far, all that has been supported is the notion that the Bible has different roles for each gender, and has a hierarchy for the church and the household. This however does not support the assertion that the Bible teaches that anyone is a 2nd class citizen or somehow devalued in the eyes of God. For that, I am still waiting for the support.

The bible literally says that you can sell your daughter as a sex slave. What is that if not a second class citizen?

Don't worry, I'll wait for you to rationalise your way out of it.