RE: General questions about the Christian idea of God and love
September 15, 2014 at 9:49 am
(This post was last modified: September 15, 2014 at 9:51 am by fr0d0.)
I think we're talking past each other Drich. I find your examples over step the mark just as you do mine. I can see no difference between our viewpoints, taking an impartial view.
I can't read your links as they won't format correctly on my phone. And by what I can make out, they're overly technical and unclear. I have no problem in accepting your point.
Yes, again, I agree that unconditional is incorrect.
Yes God hates, but not in the sense that I presumed: hatred equalling biased dislike.
Money changers: no it was still the act and not the person condemned.
Our commands are Gods will for us. "Love seeks the welfare of all, Romans 15:2, and works no ill to any, 13:8-10; love seeks opportunity to do good to 'all men" - we imitate God who seeks opportunity to do good to all men.
I thought the wiki definition was interesting. I already explained my misuse of the term.
No second chance: in the afterlife too? I don't believe that is scriptural which is why my understanding maintains traction.
Yes there's the elect, but that then contradicts the verse I quoted about all people being drawn to God, if you include post mortem. I believe that justice is fully served only post mortem. When it's done, what happens then? If experience is frozen then there cannot be reward or punishment. If experience is felt, then both are possible, and punishment that needs to last a very long time still comes to an end. What then? Does love fail? Is God not able to conquer evil? I believe that he is. I believe that love is the dominant force.
I also don't believe that omnibenevolence is a mainstream Christian doctrine.
I can't read your links as they won't format correctly on my phone. And by what I can make out, they're overly technical and unclear. I have no problem in accepting your point.
Yes, again, I agree that unconditional is incorrect.
Yes God hates, but not in the sense that I presumed: hatred equalling biased dislike.
Money changers: no it was still the act and not the person condemned.
Our commands are Gods will for us. "Love seeks the welfare of all, Romans 15:2, and works no ill to any, 13:8-10; love seeks opportunity to do good to 'all men" - we imitate God who seeks opportunity to do good to all men.
I thought the wiki definition was interesting. I already explained my misuse of the term.
No second chance: in the afterlife too? I don't believe that is scriptural which is why my understanding maintains traction.
Yes there's the elect, but that then contradicts the verse I quoted about all people being drawn to God, if you include post mortem. I believe that justice is fully served only post mortem. When it's done, what happens then? If experience is frozen then there cannot be reward or punishment. If experience is felt, then both are possible, and punishment that needs to last a very long time still comes to an end. What then? Does love fail? Is God not able to conquer evil? I believe that he is. I believe that love is the dominant force.
I also don't believe that omnibenevolence is a mainstream Christian doctrine.
