General questions about the Christian idea of God and love

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You say every religion ever, then you also say a variety of imaginary religions? By imaginary religions are you talking about things like the flying noodle monster made up to try and make fun of god?

Not just those. Every possible variation on every possible scenario that could ever happen could be sufficient to get you punished with hell and, if you're going to believe just in case and not because of evidence, you have no rational justification for ignoring any of them in favor of christianity. There could be a god that punishes you for not eating ice cream on the third Wednesday in June; do you believe in that god just in case that hell is real?

That's the problem with the line of reasoning you're espousing when you say that it's better to believe than face the consequences: there's no reason to discount any belief, then.

I'm a member of the religion my grandparents are a member of. A member of the religion my parents are.

Which would have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's true.

Although they did not go to church a lot when I was younger I was still brought up with those values, and that was the one I was raised around. I believe in my heart (feel it in my soul) that this is the right religion. Always have. I do not follow other religions, because I know (feel it) that they are not right.

So why on earth would you bring up this terrible scare tactic of "I'd rather believe than face the consequences!" if that's not actually why you believe?

Oh, and also, feeling something is not knowing it. Knowledge is demonstrated.

If it were do you not think I know that god would not know?

And if I claimed belief just to avoid the consequences, do you think god wouldn't know that too? Or does the sincerity of your belief not actually matter, so long as you shut up and don't rock the boat?

You're right it was a problem with me. People make things work one way or the other. That does not mean they will last.

What a nasty, mean spirited thing to say to a person for no reason. Very christian of you.

Yet if you foster that relationship with that in it, you are relying on a crutch. You're building your relationship on that. What after 10 years with that you took it away? Where would it be then? Like I said above. People make things work. How would it work without it if that is the basis you built your relationship on?

Alternately, you could live in a world of human subtlety, where everything isn't this massive swing of "not present at all" or "the entire focus of being" with nothing in between. Porn can just be an occasional spice. The basis of my relationship is mutual trust, companionship and creative admiration for each other. I also occasionally watch a dirty movie with her. Those two things aren't in contradiction.

I wasn't saying sex was the only thing about being gay. Everyone wants love, and to be loved. They are sexually immoral though.

Hey, I can only respond to what you write. When you ventured into the topic of problems with homosexuality, all you did was list problems with anal sex. That's not something I made you do.

But how can exactly the same kind of relationships that men and women have suddenly become immoral when there's two dudes or two chicks involved? I warn you, if you say "because god," then you'd better have all your ducks in a row and be prepared to demonstrate that that's true, and also to justify the immediately obvious cherry picking that ensues from that.

Serious human failing there

I really don't feel like playing definitional games with you. To me, the execution of an idea that only exists because of religion ("Faith can do things!") and wouldn't be an issue without it is a religious failing. It's also a human failing, given that humans are involved and humans invented religion, but I have literally zero interest in jumping through semantic hoops in service of arguing a position you'll never even consider.