Not just those. Every possible variation on every possible scenario that could ever happen could be sufficient to get you punished with hell and, if you're going to believe just in case and not because of evidence, you have no rational justification for ignoring any of them in favor of christianity. There could be a god that punishes you for not eating ice cream on the third Wednesday in June; do you believe in that god just in case that hell is real? If you want evidence the only evidence I can offer is prophecy's in the bible. Not that any of my evidence will change your mind. Other than god, or an angel appearing before you in person. If that were to happen it would probably be the devil/demon. My evidence. The re-establishing of Israel. The temple that will be built in Israel. The Talking idol. The world will turn against Israel. The return of the jews to their homeland. IF you want evidence it is all on the web for you in the form of Christian bible prophecy. Lots have came true. I will say this. After the rapture happens there's still time to turn to god. Although it will be VERY HARD.
That's the problem with the line of reasoning you're espousing when you say that it's better to believe than face the consequences: there's no reason to discount any belief, then. That's not my reasoning. I'm just saying even if you don't believe it would be better to try to believe. It would be better to forsake your wordly ways and seek out god. I've always believed, and I thank god for not hardening my heart. I thank god for turning me around.
Which would have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's true.
I was just stating why I am the religion I am. Naturally if I was born into a islamic family I would probably be islamic. If I were born into a jewish family I would probably be jewish. Must I go on with different religions?
So why on earth would you bring up this terrible scare tactic of "I'd rather believe than face the consequences!" if that's not actually why you believe? Sorry I've misinformed you. How can I believe in god, yet only "believe" in god to not face consequences? I have faith and hope. I turned back to god to not face the consequences. I knew if I died while doing what I was doing I would of went to hell. Although I put it out of my mind I was tired of not having control over my life. Over my sexual immorality. Which I will touch on again on one of your questions down below. If I said "I'd rather believe than face the consequences" I was referring to those who do not believe btw. Although that is not possible, because for them to believe in the consequences they would have to believe.
Oh, and also, feeling something is not knowing it. Knowledge is demonstrated. You're right. Which is why religion has also been called faith. You must have faith, then god will put knowledge on you to reaffirm your faith.
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. -Revelation 3:20
And if I claimed belief just to avoid the consequences, do you think god wouldn't know that too? Or does the sincerity of your belief not actually matter, so long as you shut up and don't rock the boat? See my above two corrections. I am truly sorry for misleading you, and not using the right words.
What a nasty, mean spirited thing to say to a person for no reason. Very christian of you.
I am sorry. I did not mean to be offensive. I was again stating what I believed. Let me reword that. It will not last in that form. Everything grows old. I'm just going from my personal experience. Which I should probably not do. I will start over, any more post's I make after this one I will only deliver the word of god, and not my own word.
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Proverbs 3:5
Alternately, you could live in a world of human subtlety, where everything isn't this massive swing of "not present at all" or "the entire focus of being" with nothing in between. Porn can just be an occasional spice. The basis of my relationship is mutual trust, companionship and creative admiration for each other. I also occasionally watch a dirty movie with her. Those two things aren't in contradiction. You are right. I was speaking of a very narrow situation. Only from the point of view to which I saw from. Thank you for enlightening me. However everyone has their own way, and I would not want to try to add these things as a supplement. I'm not saying everyone's way is right though. Man since the beginning of time has tried to make his own way to which he believed was best. Just human nature I suppose.
Hey, I can only respond to what you write. When you ventured into the topic of problems with homosexuality, all you did was list problems with anal sex. That's not something I made you do.
But how can exactly the same kind of relationships that men and women have suddenly become immoral when there's two dudes or two chicks involved? I warn you, if you say "because god," then you'd better have all your ducks in a row and be prepared to demonstrate that that's true, and also to justify the immediately obvious cherry picking that ensues from that. I'm not going to only say "because god." How can I not bring god into this when that's what this whole debate, and forum subsection is about? It's 5:00 in the morning, so the only answer I will give right now is because god command's it. It goes against his design. Two men can't have a baby. The only way two women can have a baby is by injecting another man's semen into her egg. Which is god's design. [/u]
That's the problem with the line of reasoning you're espousing when you say that it's better to believe than face the consequences: there's no reason to discount any belief, then. That's not my reasoning. I'm just saying even if you don't believe it would be better to try to believe. It would be better to forsake your wordly ways and seek out god. I've always believed, and I thank god for not hardening my heart. I thank god for turning me around.
Which would have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it's true.
I was just stating why I am the religion I am. Naturally if I was born into a islamic family I would probably be islamic. If I were born into a jewish family I would probably be jewish. Must I go on with different religions?
So why on earth would you bring up this terrible scare tactic of "I'd rather believe than face the consequences!" if that's not actually why you believe? Sorry I've misinformed you. How can I believe in god, yet only "believe" in god to not face consequences? I have faith and hope. I turned back to god to not face the consequences. I knew if I died while doing what I was doing I would of went to hell. Although I put it out of my mind I was tired of not having control over my life. Over my sexual immorality. Which I will touch on again on one of your questions down below. If I said "I'd rather believe than face the consequences" I was referring to those who do not believe btw. Although that is not possible, because for them to believe in the consequences they would have to believe.
Oh, and also, feeling something is not knowing it. Knowledge is demonstrated. You're right. Which is why religion has also been called faith. You must have faith, then god will put knowledge on you to reaffirm your faith.
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. -Revelation 3:20
And if I claimed belief just to avoid the consequences, do you think god wouldn't know that too? Or does the sincerity of your belief not actually matter, so long as you shut up and don't rock the boat? See my above two corrections. I am truly sorry for misleading you, and not using the right words.
Quote:You're right it was a problem with me. People make things work one way or the other. That does not mean they will last.
What a nasty, mean spirited thing to say to a person for no reason. Very christian of you.
I am sorry. I did not mean to be offensive. I was again stating what I believed. Let me reword that. It will not last in that form. Everything grows old. I'm just going from my personal experience. Which I should probably not do. I will start over, any more post's I make after this one I will only deliver the word of god, and not my own word.
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Proverbs 3:5
Alternately, you could live in a world of human subtlety, where everything isn't this massive swing of "not present at all" or "the entire focus of being" with nothing in between. Porn can just be an occasional spice. The basis of my relationship is mutual trust, companionship and creative admiration for each other. I also occasionally watch a dirty movie with her. Those two things aren't in contradiction. You are right. I was speaking of a very narrow situation. Only from the point of view to which I saw from. Thank you for enlightening me. However everyone has their own way, and I would not want to try to add these things as a supplement. I'm not saying everyone's way is right though. Man since the beginning of time has tried to make his own way to which he believed was best. Just human nature I suppose.
Hey, I can only respond to what you write. When you ventured into the topic of problems with homosexuality, all you did was list problems with anal sex. That's not something I made you do.
But how can exactly the same kind of relationships that men and women have suddenly become immoral when there's two dudes or two chicks involved? I warn you, if you say "because god," then you'd better have all your ducks in a row and be prepared to demonstrate that that's true, and also to justify the immediately obvious cherry picking that ensues from that. I'm not going to only say "because god." How can I not bring god into this when that's what this whole debate, and forum subsection is about? It's 5:00 in the morning, so the only answer I will give right now is because god command's it. It goes against his design. Two men can't have a baby. The only way two women can have a baby is by injecting another man's semen into her egg. Which is god's design. [/u]
