General questions about the Christian idea of God and love

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I could not get the quote thing down, so I'll just bold the stuff.

Nobody will burn in hell because hell doesn't exist. It's a fantasy.

I'd rather not take the chance to find out otherwise.

Quotations can be fiddly but you'll pick it up in time

Anyway, you're taking just a big a chance as me:

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I don't think (your) version of god exists so I don't think 'it' sees anything.

I think it's good a little bit that you at least think some version of god exist's. Not all doubting. I only hope my version of god exist's, because it's the faith I'm following.

I'm an agnostic atheist. I review god claims as they're submitted to me in light of the evidence. The abrahamic god I rejected a long time ago as claims for it are self-defeating and evidence has not been presented. It's impossible for me to reject all god claims as I don't know what they all are (nor could I ever know), though I think the idea of a 'god' character orchestrating everything highly unlikely.

Using threats of eternal punishment derived entirely from your imagination isn't scary and neither is it threatening. It's just, well, weird.

I'm not using threats. Only quoting what I believe. I suppose I am kind of a weird person though. Not for my religion though.

But they are threats, aren't they? Whenever a theist cites hell they do so as a reason why people should believe what they do. "If you don't believe in Jesus this is where you'll end up." It's the definition of a threat. Even your handle is Hellfire. What the hell man?

You sound like a confused individual. MY recommendation would be to ditch the bible crap and go seek some real advice from real people. Entirely your choice, naturally, but there's nothing wrong with porn, masturbating, following some religious woo like Chakras or indeed being gay. You've been told there is a problem with these things by people who espouse a philosophy derived from a supposed celestial entity. It's a nonsense. You've been told not take responsibility for anything; if it's 'bad' is the devil, if it's 'good' then it's all god's work. It's netiehr, it's entirely you and the circumstances around you. Get an A on a test? God did fuck all. You did it. Fail that test? That's entirely on you. buddy.

Why do I sound confused? My problem's with these things?

You sound confused because you indicated you had thoughts (sexual I presume) about people of the same sex and you decided to pray the gay away instead (that's how I read it). That's impossible. You can't pray away who you are, only live in denial and do yourself further damage in the long run. I've got no idea your sexual preference, but it's apart of you, Jesus or no Jesus.

If I look at porn I'm satisfied with that, and do not seek out a relationship. If I look at porn in a relationship then I would not be fair to my wife.

Horses for courses. I look at porn, and I have a fiancé. Never been a conflict or a problem. There's nothing wrong with it at all.

Problem with masturbating? Lack of self control? Build's self control. Although I have control with other things in my life this only builds more by abstaining.

Well I'm not sure what you mean by 'self-control' but if you mean the urge not to sex everyone you see then I have that too, and I masturbate and watch porn. Go figure.

It might of been torture the first few days, but that subsides. Nothing wrong with the chakra stuff? Well how can people believe in some energy locations on the body, but not believe in god? The chakra stuff? I'd rather not even get into it. I've read horror stories. Kundalini awakening all that. It can mess up your body due to being part of your nervous system.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't go for the whole woo aspect myself. Each to their own. I just don't see it as any more harmful than any aspect of christian or abrahmic theology. Indeed arguable the latter could indeed be worse in some cases.

In my religion it would be opening the door to demons, and maybe a seat for them to reside.

No such thing.

Lots of problems with being gay. Stretched anus, diseases, anal fissures, hemeroids, what else? You're right most of the bad stuff is from the circumstance around you. The big corporations polluting, your neighbor who does not hold to the word of god so they're naturally a bad person, environment, people are assholes.

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Gay =/= anal sex. Straight people have anal sex, gay women don't have naturally occuring cocks in which to penetrate someone's anus. Some gay people don't have penetrative sex just like some straight people don't.

STD's are not unique to homosexuals, neither are haemorrhoids, and neither are 'anal fissures' (I presume you mean prolapses here?). You strike me as the kind of person who automatically defaults to 'gay = immoral!' when really you have no position or authority to make that claim.

Also what is it with you guys and the complete and utter misunderstanding of positions you're criticising? Also, how the hell does someone not holding the word of (your) god make them a bad person? What ever happened to judge not lest you be judged?

Think for yourself and you'll be happier for it.
I am thinking for myself. Just because I follow god does not make me a robot. I too had that fear. Would I not be the same person I was? I am still the same person. Just happier for it. I can feel the change in my life this way. I was much less happier before. You'll probably say "whatever works for you" To my above statement, and you're right. Whatever works for you. I can't change other people. God gave them choice.

Indeed, whatever does work for you. Each to their own. But I object to the repeated and constant inference of 'god' giving people a choice. There's no evidence for this god and certainly no evidence that anything has done anything. It's really frustrating when people take their deities as given and just presume it as such through a conversation.

There is no such thing as sin, and as such, I am not a 'sinner'. I'm a human being. Well if you don't believe it then I suppose there is no such thing as sin. We shape our own realities, but what happens after that is the big picture.

Nobody knows what happens when we die.

I/we don't need help for an imaginary being to live a good and fulfilling life. Indeed, compare your life and my life, and it'd probably come out roughly the same regarding happiness and sadness, or rewards and disappointments. That's life. Sorry that you can't see this. Good luck.
You're right. There's lots of rich people who don't believe in god. I do see that. Like your religious view states though. I'm not striving to yield. I could not care if god makes me rich. I'll live this life poor. What is it going to bother me an already poor person? I'm looking to seek, not to yield.

Being rich has nothing to do with it. I mean being satisfied in life, in general. Some people want money, some want love, some what to be loved and so on. Nobody should need a god or a religion for any of that, as evidenced by me.