General questions about the Christian idea of God and love

[Hellfire1014]

I'm an agnostic atheist. I review god claims as they're submitted to me in light of the evidence. The abrahamic god I rejected a long time ago as claims for it are self-defeating and evidence has not been presented. It's impossible for me to reject all god claims as I don't know what they all are (nor could I ever know), though I think the idea of a 'god' character orchestrating everything highly unlikely.

I could not wrap my head around it if I wanted to. I've never researched any other religions. Hell I've not read the Bible from front to back yet, unfortunately. I'll probably have to get a newer translated version, because the KJV is just a bit confusing with lots of words I would have to translate.

But they are threats, aren't they? Whenever a theist cites hell they do so as a reason why people should believe what they do. "If you don't believe in Jesus this is where you'll end up." It's the definition of a threat. Even your handle is Hellfire. What the hell man?

I don't see them as threats, because usually when someone threatens someone they may, or may not follow through with it. I see it more as a promise.

You sound confused because you indicated you had thoughts (sexual I presume) about people of the same sex and you decided to pray the gay away instead (that's how I read it). That's impossible. You can't pray away who you are, only live in denial and do yourself further damage in the long run. I've got no idea your sexual preference, but it's apart of you, Jesus or no Jesus.

I'm a straight person who had a gay experience in their life. This was WAY earlier in my life. Like when I was 9, or 8. Maybe 10. Not sure. I did not pray it away. I decided for myself that I did not want to be gay. Everyone has choice. You're right it is a part of you, jesus or no jesus. Again everyone has choice.

Horses for courses. I look at porn, and I have a fiancé. Never been a conflict or a problem. There's nothing wrong with it at all.

You're right. What works for some does not work for others. IF your wife did mind you looking at porn, it would not work. Conflict, or no conflict. Situation, circumstance.

Well I'm not sure what you mean by 'self-control' but if you mean the urge not to sex everyone you see then I have that too, and I masturbate and watch porn. Go figure.

By self control I mean the ability to deny yourself. Not the urge to sex everyone. I did not have the urge to sex everyone, yet I always wanted to do something like look at porn. I would say in my mind I was going to do it. "it" being look at porn, or masturbate. I'm not questioning an atheist's control, morals, or anything.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't go for the whole woo aspect myself. Each to their own. I just don't see it as any more harmful than any aspect of christian or abrahmic theology. Indeed arguable the latter could indeed be worse in some cases.

What do you mean woo aspect? Like trying to will your body to do something?

No such thing.

I know you don't believe it. You state what you believe, I state what I believe.

Gay =/= anal sex. Straight people have anal sex, gay women don't have naturally occuring cocks in which to penetrate someone's anus. Some gay people don't have penetrative sex just like some straight people don't.

STD's are not unique to homosexuals, neither are haemorrhoids, and neither are 'anal fissures' (I presume you mean prolapses here?). You strike me as the kind of person who automatically defaults to 'gay = immoral!' when really you have no position or authority to make that claim.

Yea I would never have anal sex with my wife. Another way to be sexually immoral. If you're going to do someone in the anus what's the difference in that and a guy's anus? Not a lot. I applaud them for not having penetrative sex. I've not heard much about gay people, or researched it. I applaud them. I know STD's are not unique to homosexuals, or hemorrhoids, or anal fissures. I was not even thinking of prolapses. I'm not making a claim, I'm just stating my view. As for the straight people having std's if they all waited to get married before they had sex those effers wouldn't have std's. Another thing god commanded, but I'm sure you guys know all these things already.

Also what is it with you guys and the complete and utter misunderstanding of positions you're criticising? Also, how the hell does someone not holding the word of (your) god make them a bad person? What ever happened to judge not lest you be judged

What am I misunderstanding? Please show me. I never said someone who does not hold the word of my god makes them a bad person. A gay person can be an awesome person. A manwhore can be an awesome person. 98% of the friends I've had in my life were not religious. Bad people? No. Immoral? Yes. Also I'm not judging when I say that. Just stating a fact. Look up definition for immoral. "not conforming to accepted standards of morality." I have no problem with these people. I just don't delight in the same things they do.

Indeed, whatever does work for you. Each to their own. But I object to the repeated and constant inference of 'god' giving people a choice. There's no evidence for this god and certainly no evidence that anything has done anything. It's really frustrating when people take their deities as given and just presume it as such through a conversation.

Out of the millions of sperm your dad dropped into your mom you made it. I think life is being given a choice. God chose you for a reason.

Nobody knows what happens when we die.

K

Being rich has nothing to do with it. I mean being satisfied in life, in general. Some people want money, some want love, some what to be loved and so on. Nobody should need a god or a religion for any of that, as evidenced by me.

You're right. As I stated I could not care if I become rich. All I really want out of this life is true love. A wife who loves me as much as I love her. I'm not saying people need god to live a happy life, or anything. I'm only saying they need god/jesus to acquire the kingdom of heaven.


Oh as for my name, it's really funny. I used this name from a tank name on this Nintendo 64 game called Battle Tanx. I remember when we first got internet. AOL. Ah the days. I needed a new name that did not make me look like a kid. As Pokemon whatever it was clearly gave it away. I wanted something cool, so I used Hellfire. Had to add 1014 as Hellfire was already taken. It also refers to a missle, so. I've used this name since like 12, or 13 years old. I'm 25 now. My other names. Horoto, Kuwabarra, Psuedo. This name was just more fitting for these forums