RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 20, 2014 at 11:26 pm
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2014 at 11:33 pm by Celestine.)
(September 20, 2014 at 11:12 pm)Zidneya Wrote:(September 20, 2014 at 11:05 pm)Celestine Wrote: He didn't post the entire quotes of those verses, I've read a bit of the Quran and I can tell you the ones he posted where it actually talks about killing are in self-defense when they themselves are being killed or attacked.Did I posted this one bad as well?
Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.At-Tawba 29
Heres is the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-Tawba_29
So you can tell me if it talks about self-defense.
Yep, these Suras mostly talk about oath breakers (polytheists who have broken their oaths and violently attacked Muslims) in Sura 9 Verse 6 it even says and I quote "If a polytheist seeks your protection, grant him protection until he hears the speech of God, then escort him to where he feels safe."
Also I'm pretty sure your quote was talking about Muslims who refused to pay Zakat or the non-believer equivalent which was like their form of tax. Any part of a kingdom that refused to pay taxes was viewed as being rebellious the government needs those taxes obviously so it must get these people back into line or others might be inspired not to pay taxes and it would undermine the entire system! But again that deals with an 'oath' to the state.