(October 7, 2014 at 7:26 pm)alpha male Wrote:(October 7, 2014 at 4:49 pm)TaraJo Wrote: If you're concerned about feminism because you want it to defend your daughters rights, that's entirely understandible. But aren't you at all concerned that the extremists are giving that movement a bad name?No. As noted, most people don't hear about the extremists and/or consider them irrelevant and so ignore them.
I don't know if I'd say people are always ignoring them anymore. The fringe feminists are making a lot of enemies and I can't help but think, they're making anti-feminists who are hostile towards feminism in general. I've even noticed this in myself: I've had so many bad experience with nut-jobs who call everything patriarchy or rape-culture that whenever I hear those words, I'm instinctivly hostile towards the speaker. It's not a conscious thing, either; it's like a knee jerk reaction and I've been watching myself lately because it's not always a good thing. But I can't help but think, if you get that same attitude into someone who's less introspective, it wouldn't be hard to turn them against the general equality that I believe in.
And feminist circles have certainly made enemies. Gamergate is currently turning gamers into their enemies with Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkesian leading the charge to label anyone who disagrees with them as misogynists. Before that, they made enemies in the tech community with Donglegate when Adria Richards got a guy fired because she was evesdropping on him. And they've spent the past few years trying to turn atheists against them with the incessant whining from (non)Freethought Blogs, Rebecca Watson and PZ Meyers. How many more groups do they have to alienate? How many potential allies do they have to chase away?
So, I can say that they don't have enough influence or power to actually change policies or laws or anything, but individuals are certainly able and willing to use what power they have to hurt people on an individual level, and annoy people on a larger scale.
Quote:Quote:And if you aren't part of "crazy feminism," why do you get so defensive when other people are talking about it?I don't see that making a brief comment that OP is stereotyping qualifies as "so defensive."
And I'm simply saying that, no, my experience has hardly been that it's just a "stereotype." There's actually a Poe's Law of feminism: it's almost impossibe to tell an actual feminist from people satirizing feminism (I believe Thunderf00t actually pointed that out in a blog post; I'd link it if I knew where it was off the top of my head).
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"If you cling to something as the absolute truth and you are caught in it, when the truth comes in person to knock on your door you will refuse to let it in." ~ Siddhartha Gautama