RE: christians! Come and convert me!
July 13, 2010 at 3:31 am
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2010 at 3:34 am by fr0d0.)
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But why do you accept it as a truth?
Because I can work it out
What makes you think so?
It's self evident
Just another form of circular logic...
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That's a cop out answer ignoring what I actually said : The bible is logically coherent, this is self evident.
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How do you know that these people were reliable?
Because what they say works out logically, and has successfully lasted two millennia against scrutiny.
so is buddhism or islam. what is the difference?
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I don't think the other two work out logically. Allah isn't God - he's some inferior god who contradicts his own existence. Christianity, with the element of forgiveness, trumps all other faiths.
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who wrote bible? jesus?? No.
People did
Maybe they just wrote bible to control people. And maybe its just lucifer's work.. (and you know with that book christians killed a lot of innocent people) how could you know???
People did and do use it to control people. That's just people. It's plainly not in the original text.
and same people wrote that bible of yours as you answered above..
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Not all people do bad things, and the bible is clearly authored to have a positive message.
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really? what about book of job?
The righteous should be favoured? Illogical.
in this case god punishes the righteous one with no reason. thats really illogical...
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The point is that being good doesn't get you favour. The message is absolutely logical. It's a message about reality and how things are. Nature works out, and this is one way it does. You're pleading to the fantasy of human comfort over nature.
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or noah's ark?
Cleansing shouldn't fail?
well i didn't understand what do you mean by that.
but killing every soul (including babies and animals) its just could be a work of an asshole..
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The point of the story is that people were living unhealthily and the solution of reversing that was by force. By using forgiveness in the form of Christ this is unnecessary. The detail is an exciting story using mass destruction and genocide... it's a story telling mechanism.
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or Destruction of that corrupt city which i dont remember its name.
God is just. Period.
so this is your concept of justice? kill everyone for being gay etc. again babies and animals?? God's favourite solution is destruction. no wonder people invented nuclear bombs they are just following the footsteps of their creator..
with this point of view 9/11 is too act of justice to some... your god could be a friend of usama bin laden. thats right! period.
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God doesn't kill people for being gay.
Only God is just. No one else can know enough to be.
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Again Im telling you, right now I am not questioning your god or jesus. Just questioning your book.
So far the book stands against all challenges.
dude your book is falling apart. not reliable, full of stupid ideas, makes people kill each other, obviously most of the ideas stolen from other religions etc etc..
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Yeah yeah blah blah blah. Give me something at least original to work with and don't regurgitate stuff demonstrating you can't think for yourself.
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Happy now?
No where near.
You are not happy becouse deep down you know how poor your reasons are. And you fill in your doubts with blind faith..
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I'm quite happy with my own reasoning. I constantly test it and find it to hold true. Faith is necessary for my belief, sure. You don't seem to understand what faith is. Here's an explanation from another forum member :
But why do you accept it as a truth?
Because I can work it out
What makes you think so?
It's self evident
Just another form of circular logic...
------------
That's a cop out answer ignoring what I actually said : The bible is logically coherent, this is self evident.
----------------
How do you know that these people were reliable?
Because what they say works out logically, and has successfully lasted two millennia against scrutiny.
so is buddhism or islam. what is the difference?
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I don't think the other two work out logically. Allah isn't God - he's some inferior god who contradicts his own existence. Christianity, with the element of forgiveness, trumps all other faiths.
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who wrote bible? jesus?? No.
People did
Maybe they just wrote bible to control people. And maybe its just lucifer's work.. (and you know with that book christians killed a lot of innocent people) how could you know???
People did and do use it to control people. That's just people. It's plainly not in the original text.
and same people wrote that bible of yours as you answered above..
---------------------
Not all people do bad things, and the bible is clearly authored to have a positive message.
-------------------------
really? what about book of job?
The righteous should be favoured? Illogical.
in this case god punishes the righteous one with no reason. thats really illogical...
-------------------------
The point is that being good doesn't get you favour. The message is absolutely logical. It's a message about reality and how things are. Nature works out, and this is one way it does. You're pleading to the fantasy of human comfort over nature.
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or noah's ark?
Cleansing shouldn't fail?
well i didn't understand what do you mean by that.
but killing every soul (including babies and animals) its just could be a work of an asshole..
-------------------------
The point of the story is that people were living unhealthily and the solution of reversing that was by force. By using forgiveness in the form of Christ this is unnecessary. The detail is an exciting story using mass destruction and genocide... it's a story telling mechanism.
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or Destruction of that corrupt city which i dont remember its name.
God is just. Period.
so this is your concept of justice? kill everyone for being gay etc. again babies and animals?? God's favourite solution is destruction. no wonder people invented nuclear bombs they are just following the footsteps of their creator..
with this point of view 9/11 is too act of justice to some... your god could be a friend of usama bin laden. thats right! period.
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God doesn't kill people for being gay.
Only God is just. No one else can know enough to be.
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Again Im telling you, right now I am not questioning your god or jesus. Just questioning your book.
So far the book stands against all challenges.
dude your book is falling apart. not reliable, full of stupid ideas, makes people kill each other, obviously most of the ideas stolen from other religions etc etc..
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Yeah yeah blah blah blah. Give me something at least original to work with and don't regurgitate stuff demonstrating you can't think for yourself.
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Happy now?
No where near.
You are not happy becouse deep down you know how poor your reasons are. And you fill in your doubts with blind faith..
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I'm quite happy with my own reasoning. I constantly test it and find it to hold true. Faith is necessary for my belief, sure. You don't seem to understand what faith is. Here's an explanation from another forum member :
Arcanus Wrote:What is Faith:
Being persuaded and fully committed in trust, involving a confident belief in the truth, value, and trustworthiness of God. When it comes to Christianity, 'faith' is defined by three separate but vitally connected aspects (especially from Luther and Melancthon onwards): notitia (informational content), assensus (intellectual assent), and fiducia (committed trust). So faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it. To illustrate the three aspects: "Christ died for ours sins" (notitia); "I am persuaded that Christ died for our sins" (notitia + assensus); "I deeply commit in trust to Christ who I am persuaded died for our sins" (notitia + assensus + fiducia). Only the latter constitutes faith, on the Christian view.
