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If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
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RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
(November 30, 2014 at 5:39 pm)Heywood Wrote:
(November 30, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Smaug Wrote: Putting aside the definition of reality, you're basically trying to prove the following:
A sub-reality is a reality that belongs completely within other reality. that There exist realities that contain creators of sub-realities <=> for every reality and sub-reality there has to be a creator
Do you notice that while "<=" works "=>" doesn't follow? Hense the theorem is invalid.

Even in a more strict formulation as this:
A sub-reality is a reality that belongs completely within other reality. Every sub-reality has a creator <=> for every reality and sub-reality there has to be a creator
"=>" doesn't follow.

I am not claiming there has to be a creator for every sub reality. If you think this then you clearly do not understand the argument I am making. I am claiming that since we observe sub realities coming into existence via the hand of intellect....and never observe sub realities coming into existence sans intellect....that fact gives strength to the conjecture that all sub realities require intellects to come into existence. I am making an inductive argument...not a deductive one.

That doesn't necessarily help. Unlike a deductive argument where the conclusion is always correct if the premises are correct, in the case of a inductive argument, the premises might be correct and the conclusion still wrong.

For example:

Deductive:

1. All bachelors are unmarried.

2. Ken is a bachelor.

3. Therefore Ken is unmarried.


Inductive:

1. Every bachelor I know of is below the age of 90.

2. Joe is a bachelor.

3. Therefore Joe is under ninety. (Obviously unless he's one of the bachelors I've met this conclusion could be wrong).


The power of inductive reasoning depends upon the size the two groups correlated and whether there is any rational causation theory to link the groups. The inherent weakness of a limited sample size and that correlation does not equal causation are the two problems with inductive reasoning.

Now let's consider your particular inductive argument. We have just one reality and a limited number of anything approaching a sub-reality. This leaves you with an inductive argument like this:

1. Every simulation kind of like a reality (or sub-reality) is designed by sentient beings.

2. The universe is a reality.

3. Therefore the universe is designed by a sentient being.

This is considerably weaker than my under ninety bachelor conclusion, because at least I had real bachelors to draw from.
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If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Lucanus - November 30, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Nope - November 30, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - November 30, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - November 30, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 11:04 am
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by C4RM5 - November 30, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - November 30, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Chas - December 1, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - November 30, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 4:25 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Jenny A - November 30, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 3, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - December 5, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 5, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - December 5, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - December 5, 2014 at 10:21 pm

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