If the universe was fine tuned for our life...

[Heywood]

Yeah. The thing is, I have no problem saying there may have been some process, being, whatever that "made" what we perceive as reality.

But since I am not aware of any way of ever learning anything about anything outside our reality, it is irrelevant other than as speculation. Even if they sent us a message or something, we'd have no way to verify its source. Or to know that what was communicated was true.

We'd have to escape our reality somehow, or find an amazing way to observe other realities from our own reality. This sounds like science fiction at the moment, but who knows, maybe in the future it will be possible. Until then, we're just guessing blind or projecting our imagination as far as I can see.

That's assuming that there is anything else apart from our reality, of course.

Robvalue

One thing you need to know about me is I am not going to try to convert you to some religion or convince you God wants you to do this or that. When I participate in a thread like this, my goal is to make a case that observations of this physical world suggest the existence of an intellect external to this world. I leave it to the religious types to convince you that God has a plan for you or you have a purpose in this world.

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The world of secondlife doesn't come into existence...it doesn't exist without an intellect present to create it in the first place.

A found object doesn't become a manufactured one by you having picked it up and used it for something.

Rhythm,

I just don't except this idea that realities like SecondLife are found and then used. They are clearly the products of intellects.