(December 8, 2014 at 12:55 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You can interpret them into meaning the female held the man at knifepoint and forced him to have sex with her, I just don't think there's anything in that passage that actually implies seduction.Consider this:
Deut 22
28 “If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.
They are found out implies that they're colluding.
Also, you see the Deuteronomy passage cited on plenty of atheist sites, but you rarely see the earlier parallel passage from Exodus:
Ex 22
16 “If a man entices a virgin who is not betrothed, and lies with her, he shall surely pay the bride-price for her to be his wife. 17 If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the bride-price of virgins.