RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 3:31 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2014 at 3:33 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
No, you're making the problem of assuming that any given negative and any given positive are the same in weight, which they obviously are not unless you're so relativistic that you think getting your toes stepped on is just as negative as being murdered (or equating the father getting some silver to the woman's control of her own body).
Secondly, one can look at that situation and extrapolate a few questions and answers. To list some of them..
1) Would society (and the humans living in it) increase in wellbeing if rapists were not jailed for their crimes? Obviously not.
2) Would victims of rape experience an increase in wellbeing if they were forced to marry the rapist? Obviously not.
3) Would society be more stable or less stable under a rule that someone can obtain a wife by raping a woman, or at least escape any sort of punishment for rape besides paying some silver? Obviously less stable.
These are questions that are so obvious I'm rather unsure of why you claim we have absolutely no moral sense without a sky-god. Even just looking at it impersonally and selfishly, one would want to create a system in which (using the same example) if one's own daughter was raped, one would be at least somewhat okay with the rammifications for the rapist, and for one's daughter. And I don't know about you, but getting some silver from my daughter's rapist and simply refusing to give your daughter to him does not seem like a moral system in any sense.
Secondly, one can look at that situation and extrapolate a few questions and answers. To list some of them..
1) Would society (and the humans living in it) increase in wellbeing if rapists were not jailed for their crimes? Obviously not.
2) Would victims of rape experience an increase in wellbeing if they were forced to marry the rapist? Obviously not.
3) Would society be more stable or less stable under a rule that someone can obtain a wife by raping a woman, or at least escape any sort of punishment for rape besides paying some silver? Obviously less stable.
These are questions that are so obvious I'm rather unsure of why you claim we have absolutely no moral sense without a sky-god. Even just looking at it impersonally and selfishly, one would want to create a system in which (using the same example) if one's own daughter was raped, one would be at least somewhat okay with the rammifications for the rapist, and for one's daughter. And I don't know about you, but getting some silver from my daughter's rapist and simply refusing to give your daughter to him does not seem like a moral system in any sense.
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