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Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
Well believe it or not, men are flawed, and often wrong (even about God~). The benefit of our current position in history is that we can look back on the societies and peoples who believed this sort of behavior to be appropriate and improve upon them. We have the entirety of recorded history to use as our data points, and that leads to an ever-evolving and improving moral code.

Lemme see if I can sum it up..

1) In any (moral) situation, there is one or more choice(s) that are objectivity better than one or more other choice(s), based on human wellbeing being the principle measuring stick.
2) Through the use of history, empathy, and even plain probability, we attempt to reach one of those "better" decisions. We are fallible, we are human, we might (and will) get it wrong sometimes.
3) The more we learn about humans and human wellbeing, along with effective ways to run society, the more our conclusions from 2) will undergo refinement and challenges, leading to new and better ideas.

Yes, alpha, I'm aware there are moral systems that operate based on other prinicples, because there is no magic objective set-in-stone law based on the whims of a cosmic dictator. We are trying to discover the best ways to run our world, and that will require investigation, discussion, compromise even. What is does not require is an unassailable set of rules from 2000 years ago that are demonstrably harmful in some cases and utterly irrelevant in others, attaching morality to issues that are completely amoral.

Change is inevitable, progress is not, but neither can be found in clinging to the certainty of millenia-old scriptures.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Tiberius - November 16, 2011 at 5:39 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Shell B - November 16, 2011 at 5:41 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Erinome - November 16, 2011 at 5:56 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by padraic - November 16, 2011 at 5:16 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Shell B - November 16, 2011 at 5:56 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Erinome - November 16, 2011 at 6:03 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Erinome - November 16, 2011 at 6:12 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Epimethean - November 16, 2011 at 8:47 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Cinjin - November 16, 2011 at 11:44 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Tiberius - November 16, 2011 at 11:53 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Cinjin - November 16, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Rev. Rye - November 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - November 16, 2011 at 11:57 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by frankiej - November 16, 2011 at 1:47 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Minimalist - November 16, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Minimalist - November 16, 2011 at 5:52 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Anymouse - November 16, 2011 at 6:02 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Jackalope - November 16, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Minimalist - November 16, 2011 at 6:54 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Jackalope - November 16, 2011 at 8:45 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by edk - November 16, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by ElDinero - November 17, 2011 at 4:54 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by edk - November 17, 2011 at 4:59 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by ElDinero - November 17, 2011 at 5:05 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Anymouse - November 17, 2011 at 5:10 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Anymouse - November 17, 2011 at 5:01 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by edk - November 17, 2011 at 5:12 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Anymouse - November 17, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Phaedra - November 18, 2011 at 9:39 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by edk - November 16, 2011 at 10:14 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Shell B - November 17, 2011 at 4:59 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by edk - November 17, 2011 at 5:05 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - November 17, 2011 at 1:45 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Heather - November 17, 2011 at 2:45 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - November 17, 2011 at 3:54 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Shell B - November 17, 2011 at 6:02 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by edk - November 18, 2011 at 6:32 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Shell B - November 19, 2011 at 1:25 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Nope - November 26, 2014 at 8:32 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Tonus - November 26, 2014 at 9:41 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Nope - November 26, 2014 at 10:25 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - December 3, 2014 at 7:32 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - December 3, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Tiberius - November 17, 2011 at 6:30 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - November 17, 2011 at 11:54 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Heather - November 17, 2011 at 2:42 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Rev. Rye - November 17, 2011 at 3:08 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - November 17, 2011 at 7:14 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - November 17, 2011 at 7:45 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Erinome - November 18, 2011 at 11:00 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Rayaan - November 18, 2011 at 2:19 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Minimalist - November 18, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Rev. Rye - November 18, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by IATIA - November 18, 2011 at 7:10 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Rayaan - November 18, 2011 at 7:12 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by IATIA - November 19, 2011 at 11:08 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by ElDinero - November 18, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Minimalist - November 18, 2011 at 11:52 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Epimethean - November 19, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by strawdawg - November 26, 2014 at 4:54 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by LastPoet - November 26, 2014 at 5:01 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by robvalue - November 26, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Violet - December 3, 2014 at 7:36 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by abaris - December 8, 2014 at 4:27 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - November 26, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Elskidor - November 26, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by abaris - November 26, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by abaris - November 26, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by Cato - December 3, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by LastPoet - December 8, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by LastPoet - December 8, 2014 at 1:02 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by LastPoet - December 8, 2014 at 2:23 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 3:24 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by abaris - December 8, 2014 at 3:26 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 3:30 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 3:44 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by abaris - December 8, 2014 at 3:47 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by FatAndFaithless - December 8, 2014 at 3:53 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 4:52 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by abaris - December 8, 2014 at 5:10 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 8, 2014 at 5:23 pm
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 9, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by robvalue - December 9, 2014 at 9:15 am
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape." - by John V - December 9, 2014 at 11:03 am

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