Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."

[John V]

Well believe it or not, men are flawed, and often wrong (even about God~).

You mean other men are wrong. You of course are right.

The benefit of our current position in history is that we can look back on the societies and peoples who believed this sort of behavior to be appropriate and improve upon them. We have the entirety of recorded history to use as our data points, and that leads to an ever-evolving and improving moral code.

How do you know that today's women are happier or more fulfilled than those women were? You don't. You assume it.

Lemme see if I can sum it up..

1) In any (moral) situation, there is one or more choice(s) that are objectivity better than one or more other choice(s), based on human wellbeing being the principle measuring stick.

No, as we've seen, subjective criteria and weighting must be used.

Yes, alpha, I'm aware there are moral systems that operate based on other prinicples,

But you keep claiming that your system is better without justification.

We are trying to discover the best ways to run our world, and that will require investigation, discussion, compromise even.

No, you are proclaiming what the best moral system is, and trying to limit the discussion to application of that system.