RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 4:24 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2014 at 4:26 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
I don't recall ever stating that I was certain of my correctness
, nor that the system I'm describing is "objectively" better, because I don't think there is an objective standard to which to compare it. When I used the word 'objective' that was within the system when comparing and weighting the wellbeing of a certain decision. The justification that I use to assert that this system is at least a good starting point is that societies that focus on the wellbeing of its citizens instead of some other principle tend to be more stable and efficient.
As for "You're just assuming women are happier now than in Biblical times"...well, I'll leave it up to anyone reading to decide which one of us is making the assumptions here. Unlike in the Biblical framework, the women (and men) who take part in the system I'm describing have their own voice, they can voice their ideas and make changes and propose challenges, which leads to a more egalitarian situation, rather than constraining them with arbitrarily-given "roles" in their lives.
I don't recall making any proclamation that this system is "the best" in any sort of real objective sense, just that the data throughout history are on the side of a human wellbeing-focused system being the most able to cultivate a stable and healthy society (of the moral systems we've encountered, at least. There could be a better one created in the future). I've even said flat out that I could be wrong on any number of issues, but the way to correct those errors isn't to simply decree that they're wrong, it's investigation and discussion and participation from everyone in society.

As for "You're just assuming women are happier now than in Biblical times"...well, I'll leave it up to anyone reading to decide which one of us is making the assumptions here. Unlike in the Biblical framework, the women (and men) who take part in the system I'm describing have their own voice, they can voice their ideas and make changes and propose challenges, which leads to a more egalitarian situation, rather than constraining them with arbitrarily-given "roles" in their lives.
I don't recall making any proclamation that this system is "the best" in any sort of real objective sense, just that the data throughout history are on the side of a human wellbeing-focused system being the most able to cultivate a stable and healthy society (of the moral systems we've encountered, at least. There could be a better one created in the future). I've even said flat out that I could be wrong on any number of issues, but the way to correct those errors isn't to simply decree that they're wrong, it's investigation and discussion and participation from everyone in society.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
- Thomas Jefferson