Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."

[John V]

I'm talking about a human moral code, alpha, based on human wellbeing. Eradicating ourselves doesn't exactly jive with human wellbeing.

And I'm noting - again - that a moral code can be based on things other than human well-being.

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Yes. Actually I went there some time ago. Look at what we're doing to the planet. One could easily argue that the world would be better off without our functioning societies.

But wait -- I thought humans were god's children. How does he expect them to live without a viable planet, or without a fucntioning society?

Are you really saying that your god wants us to suffer in order that we might cling to him tighter?

Er, "One could argue..." is not equivalent to "I personally argue..."