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Billboard proclaims "Nobody is born gay"
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RE: Billboard proclaims "Nobody is born gay"
(December 11, 2014 at 10:40 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(December 11, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Until you can demonstrate that this alleged "natural law" 1) exists in the context of this issue and 2) comes down against gays, I feel fully justified in calling you a bigot.

Your request is simple enough since 1) I have no prejudice against homosexuals as human beings and 2) my position has rational support.

Anyone, other than ontological naturalists, can see that things are partially defined by their natural functions. Living things are, by their nature, directed toward the things that allow them to sustain life and thrive. For example, the heart is directed toward pumping blood.

Likewise, it is a biological fact that for the human race to exist it must reproduce and that is the natural purpose of the genitalia, i.e. to get semen from the penis into the vagina. The pleasure of copulation and the inordinate strength of the sexual appetites serve to motivate people toward productive union.

Now because human infants are not self-sufficient for years, conjugal love also serves the purpose of strengthening the bond between parents to sustain the children that depend on the family for their mental and material support. These are biological facts.

That people pursue sexual pleasure without consciously thinking about procreation is of no consequence. All that matters is that it is directed toward its proper and natural end. There is nothing inherently wrong with kissing, petting and oral/genital contact to the extent that it increases arousal in preparation for intercourse. Unlike these, the possible transfer of feces and harmful bacteria make sodomy an unsuitable preparation for vaginal intercourse. In addition the structure of the anus made for defecation and is not a suitable receptacle for any foreign object.

People both homosexual and heterosexual engage in practices that go contrary to the function of sexuality and in so doing thwart the natural good. I am not against LGB people specifically because I believe it is just as wrong for heterosexual people to engage in practices, like sodomy, necrophilia, pederasty, and bestiality that are contrary to natural law.

Firstly, you're ignoring the non-reproductive uses of sex -- to wit, bonding, conflict resolution, and simple pleasure. What is unnatural about wanting pleasure? What is inherently immoral about that? This claim of yours, that "all that matters is that it is directed toward its proper and natural end," is not supported. Who says that that is all that matters? You?

But additionally, you said that gay sex violated this "law" -- and it's no law -- because it was unethical. How is gay sex immoral (which is the OED's definition)? Exactly what about it is immoral? Because the genitalia are used for secondary functions? Then you'd have to argue that holding open a door with your foot is immoral, because that is not the foot's primary function.

This appeal of yours, to natural law, is unsupported by anything but your own emotions, and that relegates you to remaining a bigot. You cannot point to anything unethical or immoral about gay sex between two consenting adults. You're simply gussying up your distaste for it in high-falutin' language in order to avoid being seen for the bigot you are.

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