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Atheists who become Christians
RE: Atheists who become Christians
Nope: yeah I see what you mean. I guess if someone is utterly convinced they have had a "supernatural" experience, then they are in some way being internally rational in believing it. Like you say, you can't stop yourself believing something you believe. Arational is a good way to describe that. Good point.

But then it can't be considered rational to anyone else, except by taking on confidence that the person has their own reasons. I could never be convinced of the truth of someone's claims merely on their own testimony, if it's something that goes against what I know about reality. I think a lot of people have very low standards of evidence and are easily fooled by their mind. How can I differentiate between all the people making such claims? Like you say, I can't.

But I mean... If you experience something supernatural, then by definition it's not supernatural. By my definition anyway.

Someone asking me to make a special case and "just believe them" is misguided I'm afraid. I'm not trying to tell other people to stop believing things, that would be absurd. But if they are saying I should believe it too, then I need to be convinced.

For example, a Muslim would ask me to believe something contradictory to a Christian. Even two christians would tell me to believe contradictory things. They can't all be right. (But they can all be wrong.)
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Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 10:41 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 21, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by IATIA - December 21, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Alex K - December 21, 2014 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 11:27 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Spooky - December 21, 2014 at 11:18 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Alex K - December 21, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Spooky - December 21, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 21, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 8:51 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Minimalist - December 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 21, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by h4ym4n - December 23, 2014 at 6:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 23, 2014 at 11:06 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 21, 2014 at 1:49 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 22, 2014 at 10:25 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 25, 2014 at 2:42 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 22, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 22, 2014 at 12:05 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 23, 2014 at 1:15 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Jenny A - December 26, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 26, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 23, 2014 at 11:14 am
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