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Atheists who become Christians
RE: Atheists who become Christians
I haven't got a clue what he believed, the fact that he won't state it makes me sceptical in itself as to its rationality.

We clearly can't agree on ground rules, so there's no point having any kind of debate. But I'll say a bit more to make things clear to others, and in case anyone else wants to debate me formally or informally.

I was not moving goalposts. The goalposts will always be the same. If you're making a claim, and wish to prove that the claim is true or reasonable, then you need to provide appropriate argument/evidence. What is required will vary depending on the claim. If you cannot or will not provide these, then your claim is indistinguishable from any old shit anyone makes up.

Material evidence may or not not be required, again depends on the claim. And for all I know you don't have supernatural beliefs, or believe you are God.

If you were just asking me to accept that you believe your beliefs are rational, then sure, I take your word for it. I have no reason to object. But if you want to demonstrate your beliefs are objectively/independently rational, then you need to back it up. Again, I have no idea what you are actually saying. That the type of method you used is rational, regardless of the details? I don't know.

I want to add that demonstrating something is not impossible is not nearly enough to demonstrate it is likely.

Also, these are not my personal goalposts, they are (hopefully) reflective of any sceptic.
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Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 10:41 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 21, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by IATIA - December 21, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Alex K - December 21, 2014 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 11:27 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Spooky - December 21, 2014 at 11:18 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Alex K - December 21, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Spooky - December 21, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:13 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 21, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 8:51 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Minimalist - December 21, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 21, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by h4ym4n - December 23, 2014 at 6:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 23, 2014 at 11:06 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 11:44 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 11:51 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 3:19 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 9:21 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 21, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 21, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 21, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 12:35 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 21, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 21, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Wyrd of Gawd - December 22, 2014 at 3:45 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 21, 2014 at 12:36 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 21, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thackerie - December 21, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Exian - December 21, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 5:23 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 21, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 22, 2014 at 12:06 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 22, 2014 at 12:11 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 22, 2014 at 12:22 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 22, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 22, 2014 at 12:18 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 22, 2014 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 23, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 22, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Chad32 - December 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 1:47 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Elskidor - December 21, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 21, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 21, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Valkyrie - December 21, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 22, 2014 at 3:14 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by TubbyTubby - December 21, 2014 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by TubbyTubby - December 21, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 21, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 21, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Jackalope - December 21, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 21, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Kitty Galore - December 21, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Jackalope - December 21, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 21, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Valkyrie - December 21, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 21, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 21, 2014 at 9:29 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by MysticKnight - December 21, 2014 at 9:33 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 21, 2014 at 9:37 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Valkyrie - December 21, 2014 at 9:44 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 22, 2014 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by rexbeccarox - December 21, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 21, 2014 at 11:59 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 22, 2014 at 12:33 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by TheRealJoeFish - December 22, 2014 at 1:16 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 3:47 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 22, 2014 at 4:15 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 4:24 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 22, 2014 at 4:56 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 22, 2014 at 10:18 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 22, 2014 at 10:25 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 22, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 25, 2014 at 2:42 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by RobbyPants - December 22, 2014 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 22, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 22, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 22, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 22, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 23, 2014 at 1:15 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 11:49 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by strawdawg - December 22, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by IATIA - December 22, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 22, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 22, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Jenny A - December 26, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 26, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 12:40 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 22, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 22, 2014 at 4:35 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 22, 2014 at 5:57 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 22, 2014 at 10:08 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 22, 2014 at 6:46 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 23, 2014 at 2:31 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Drich - December 23, 2014 at 8:28 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 23, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 23, 2014 at 7:39 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 23, 2014 at 9:02 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 23, 2014 at 9:44 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 23, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 24, 2014 at 9:08 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 24, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Violet - December 24, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 25, 2014 at 4:34 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 25, 2014 at 9:39 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:35 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 26, 2014 at 10:00 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 26, 2014 at 12:30 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 26, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 26, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 23, 2014 at 7:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Tonus - December 23, 2014 at 10:42 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 23, 2014 at 9:04 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 23, 2014 at 10:28 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 23, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 23, 2014 at 11:06 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by dyresand - December 24, 2014 at 11:55 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Nope - December 23, 2014 at 11:23 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Violet - December 24, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 25, 2014 at 3:06 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:27 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 25, 2014 at 4:52 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 25, 2014 at 5:59 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 25, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 26, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:39 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2014 at 9:34 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 26, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 26, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:49 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:59 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 26, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 27, 2014 at 12:02 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 2:09 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 26, 2014 at 2:11 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Silver - December 26, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 26, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 26, 2014 at 3:19 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 26, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 27, 2014 at 3:39 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 26, 2014 at 6:22 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 26, 2014 at 5:32 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 30, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 29, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 7:31 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 26, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:26 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 27, 2014 at 3:01 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 27, 2014 at 6:58 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Tonus - December 27, 2014 at 7:58 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 27, 2014 at 7:59 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 27, 2014 at 8:05 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 27, 2014 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Thumpalumpacus - December 27, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by robvalue - December 27, 2014 at 8:09 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 27, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 27, 2014 at 9:50 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 27, 2014 at 10:14 am
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 27, 2014 at 1:20 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 27, 2014 at 4:28 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 27, 2014 at 5:00 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by fr0d0 - December 29, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 29, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by JesusChristLover - December 29, 2014 at 6:36 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 29, 2014 at 6:40 pm
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RE: Atheists who become Christians - by ronedee - December 29, 2014 at 9:05 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Whateverist - December 30, 2014 at 12:39 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by ronedee - December 31, 2014 at 10:15 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - January 1, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by abaris - December 30, 2014 at 11:05 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mudhammam - December 30, 2014 at 12:10 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - December 30, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by ronedee - December 31, 2014 at 11:24 pm
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Mister Agenda - January 2, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by watchamadoodle - December 30, 2014 at 8:39 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by Alex K - December 30, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: Atheists who become Christians - by The Grand Nudger - January 2, 2015 at 1:47 pm

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